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Authenticity/irregularity check - Men's 7 for all Mankind A Pocket Dubai

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#1 · (Edited)
I purchased this pair of sevens off ebay as I could tell they looked 99% authentic based on the pictures and the users feedback and such. The seller had not so great info or photos on the jeans so I got them for a good deal, but there is just something not right with the fit of these and a couple of the tags. They are size 33 men's A pocket bootcut, and they kind of fit like women's jeans, the pockets are very long inside which isn't a trait of women's jeans at all, however the inside pockets of these sevens have those subtle lines that the women's pairs have, but the men's do not. The color code is that of the men's a pocket dubai, but when I compared the tags from this pair to another pair I have, the text seem slightly lighter, sloppy, and a different font even though everything else looks right on the jeans. The denim is great, the stitching is not sloppy, and the hardware is correct as well. Anyone know about this issue, or have any ideas for me as they do not fit and how do I resell them if they fit like women's jeans but are men's jeans? The seller assured me they purchased them first hand from macy's themself.
 
#3 ·
Do you know whats with the pockets, fit, and tags then? I have at least 4-5 other pairs of just sevens in size 32 and 33 and these fit smaller than all of them, not just smaller but awkward.
 
#5 ·
You're looking way too much into this. Just because they fit differently (as all washes/cuts will differ from one another) doesn't mean they're fake or that they're women's.
 
#6 ·
I have over 10 pairs of mens 7s and most fit similarly, but there are some I bought in the store that fit much looser or much tighter. Additionally A pockets fit different than Standards or Boot Cut, I personally don't really like the way they fit, but a lot of people seem to. I have a couple pairs but hardly wear them.
 
#8 ·
You're providing a lot of misguided info. First of all, men's a-pockets come in different cuts...mostly bootcut (zipper fly) or relaxed (button fly), so the statement that a-pockets fit differently than bootcuts doesn't make any sense, since a lot of men's a-pockets ARE bootcuts.

If you think they are women's all you have to do is put your hand in the pocket. Women's jeans have really shallow pockets you won't even be able to put your keys in there.
That is not the way to tell whether a pair is men's or women's. Some men's have relatively shallow pockets as well. One way to tell is the font of the cut on the inside of the waistband. Cursive = women's, printing = men's. Another is the cut number. Men's start with T and women's start with U or P.
 
#9 ·
Yes, many 'a' pockets are boot cuts, but not all. That is true and some are relaxed and some are not. But the 'a' pocket boot cut fits slightly different than a boot cut, the rise may be a little bit lower not sure exactly what it is, I haven't looked into it that much.

It is true you can tell by the numbers and writing on the pants in many cases, some women's pants also use pink and purple writing and mens never do.

I used to sell 7FAM on ebay and my wife has about 15 pairs of 7FAM. The quickest way I found to determine women's jeans from mens was the pockets. I have never seen a mans pair with pockets that even came close to the shallowness of women's pockets. All the men's pockets I have seen have been significantly deeper. The women's tend to be around 2" deep (that is not alway true, but that's about the average). The mens are normally at least 6" deep (once again I can't say that is true 100% of the time). The only mens 7FAM I have seen with shallow pockets where a Corduroy and they where still much deeper than women's.
 
#15 ·
Actually I want to know what makes you say these are fake, because I just looked at the style guide and they look like worn out, Med. NY Extreme Crystals in Fire. The tags look exactly like the example of real tags in the Official Seven Authentication Guide too.

Here is the style guides images.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3586195654_f902b63e8a.jpg

Here is the back pocket of the ones I sold. They are much more more warn out. and the lighting is different, but they look the same to me.

Picture of the inner tag of your pair:


As I stated in the R&R section:
There is no doubt that these are fake. Wash is off. The "A" on the back pocket is off. The "for all mankind" on the back pocket is off. The inner tags are completely wrong; the "28" is in the wrong font + wrong thread (using the weird metallic thread that is common with fakes), and the font of the style and cut numbers is also wrong. You don't need to send me a photo of the pair from the style guide; I'm very well experienced in this brand and am well aware of what the real ones look like, as I have a pair.
 
#16 ·
I see on the back tag. It' shorter. I'm sure if I saw a real pair in real life up close the back pockets would look very off to me too.

On the inside tags, since I really don't have any pre 2009 sevens (I have over 20 after 2009, many bought in the store), I was going by the guide that was posted. It's hard to tell since the guide is missing many images, but what I thought where supposed to be the real tags look the same as those, but since the guide is missing images, maybe they are supposed to be example of fake tags.

Do you know where a picture is of real tags from that time period?
 
#17 ·
Do you know where a picture is of real tags from that time period?
I have had the Earth, Water, and Wind pairs. The only pair that I have not had were Fire. (But they were all the same time period)

Here are the 'Water' ones



You can see that the font on the style and cut number on your pair is wrong, as well as the font/thread on the size tag.
 
#20 ·
here is a back pocket pic of an authentic MNXF (missing crystals :() .... i have a thread in here somewhere that shows a real pair NWT from all angles but it is from ages ago and i can't find it



the cross stitch pairs were tough for me to auth at first, you'll get the hang of it, but for now, you just need to know that yours are fake and that you need to refund your buyer
 
#22 · (Edited)
here is a back pocket pic of an authentic MNXF (missing crystals :() .... i have a thread in here somewhere that shows a real pair NWT from all angles but it is from ages ago and i can't find it

the cross stitch pairs were tough for me to auth at first, you'll get the hang of it, but for now, you just need to know that yours are fake and that you need to refund your buyer
Yeah, the cross stitch paris are pretty uncommon now anyway, I hardly ever see them, so I doubt will will run across another pair. The main difference I notice on the "A" part is that it seems to stand out more.

I see a lot of fake Flynts, which stand out to me like an elephant in a hen house.
 
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