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I just sold some jeans to a lady in Germany, and I wondered what is the best way to ship these. It seems that express mail flat envelope would be almost $28, but there is insurance from what I have read in this thread. I was also looking at just flat rate international small box (if they could fit in there), and the rate is around $14, but didn't see any mention of insurance. Does anyone know more about this, or how to find what the cost would be (I have searched the USPS website and haven't found anything yet)? Of course the express would get there faster, but the flat rate box says it would take 6-10 days vs. 3-5 for express.

For you sellers who sell international all the time what do you usually do? And is there a reason to use the express envelope over just regular flat rate box, other than speed? Would the $14 savings to use a flat rate box, be ate up insuring the box for $100? Thanks for the help.
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You can't get insurance on international flat rate priority packages, and there is no tracking. The safe way to ship is in an express flat rate envelope that comes with tracking (so they can't claim the item never arrived), and $100 insurance (you can add more if you need).
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I just sold some jeans to a lady in Germany, and I wondered what is the best way to ship these. It seems that express mail flat envelope would be almost $28, but there is insurance from what I have read in this thread. I was also looking at just flat rate international small box (if they could fit in there), and the rate is around $14, but didn't see any mention of insurance. Does anyone know more about this, or how to find what the cost would be (I have searched the USPS website and haven't found anything yet)? Of course the express would get there faster, but the flat rate box says it would take 6-10 days vs. 3-5 for express.

For you sellers who sell international all the time what do you usually do? And is there a reason to use the express envelope over just regular flat rate box, other than speed? Would the $14 savings to use a flat rate box, be ate up insuring the box for $100? Thanks for the help.
The SMALL Priority Flat Rate box is TINY. It is not big enough to fit a pair of jeans.

Express is definitely the way to go. $25-$28 depending on location, if shipped online and includes up to $100 of insurance. (Plus the insurance beyond $100 is much less then regular Priority insurance).

You could ship Priority Mail (non flat rate) in a box or t-vek envelope but that will run you around $20 or more. They do offer delivery confirmation on those but it's not always guaranteed. And it's not the same as Express tracking.

There is no delivery confirmation or tracking of any kind on Priority Flat Rate envelopes or Small Priority Flat rate boxes. It is not a safe method for Sellers to ship with. I only use it when the item is like $20 or less and I am willing to take the risk of the Buyer being dishonest. A Buyer could easily claim that it didn't arrive and get all their money back. Then you would be out the item and cost you paid to ship it.
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still no tracking - if the buyer refuses to cooperate in signing the affidavit you will not get any insurance money. By the time the insurance rolls around your buyer will probably have already filed a dispute and will not always agree to help you. Best to ship with tracking.
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still no tracking - if the buyer refuses to cooperate in signing the affidavit you will not get any insurance money. By the time the insurance rolls around your buyer will probably have already filed a dispute and will not always agree to help you. Best to ship with tracking.
Just out of curiosity, would there be other reason (other than someone being a complete douche canoe) for the buyer to not sign the affidavit? I mean, why does a scammer care if you get your money back? They're a scammer... it's not exactly like they're moral compass is properly functioning to begin with, so why would they care if you get your money back or not?
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Thanks for the answers everyone. It sounds like express would be the best bet, since there is tracking and insurance. It just seems so high to ship, but of course I am not used to shipping overseas. The lady who purchased said she was a member of AF, and recommended this thread for shipping tips. I am going to email her with the costs of express, and hope she is expecting/know about the high costs, since she recommended this thread. The jeans sold for $99.99, so I would hate to not have insurance anyway.

A few more questions for those who have time. I see that I can pay the shipping online and print a label, I will have to go to P.O. to get some of the express envelopes. My question is should I get the customs forms from the P.O. or print something online? I vaguely remember shipping something overseas quite a while back, and remember some kind of plastic sleeve (of course something I couldn't print). I kind of want to get the stuff that I need from the P.O. and then print the postage online to save the few $, as I am going to charge whatever I have to pay to the lady for shipping and would like to save her a few $'s. Plus I am going to have a stuffed envelope (don't want the P.O. to freak out), so I have to practice the fold method.

As far as custom forms how exactly is that done, and is it just one form or more?, and I am remembering a plastic sleeve right?

Thanks again for the help, I really didn't expect an overseas sale, but it's all good.
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Thanks for the answers everyone. It sounds like express would be the best bet, since there is tracking and insurance. It just seems so high to ship, but of course I am not used to shipping overseas. The lady who purchased said she was a member of AF, and recommended this thread for shipping tips. I am going to email her with the costs of express, and hope she is expecting/know about the high costs, since she recommended this thread. The jeans sold for $99.99, so I would hate to not have insurance anyway.

A few more questions for those who have time. I see that I can pay the shipping online and print a label, I will have to go to P.O. to get some of the express envelopes. My question is should I get the customs forms from the P.O. or print something online? I vaguely remember shipping something overseas quite a while back, and remember some kind of plastic sleeve (of course something I couldn't print). I kind of want to get the stuff that I need from the P.O. and then print the postage online to save the few $, as I am going to charge whatever I have to pay to the lady for shipping and would like to save her a few $'s. Plus I am going to have a stuffed envelope (don't want the P.O. to freak out), so I have to practice the fold method.

As far as custom forms how exactly is that done, and is it just one form or more?, and I am remembering a plastic sleeve right?

Thanks again for the help, I really didn't expect an overseas sale, but it's all good.

When you print the label online, it will have you add all the customs information necessary and it automatically prints on the shipping label so there is no need for additional forms from the post office. It will print out a couple sheets that you cut apart and you put 3 copies in the plastic envelope and keep one. You will need to pick up a Express Flat Rate envelope and the plastic customs envelope (with sticky backing) from the PO. Be sure to grab extras in case you rip the envelope trying to stuff it in the first time.

It saves you like $3-$4 when shipping International Express if shipping online so if you ship regularly it is definitely worth it.

Most International Buyers already know to expect the higher ship cost and are ok with it. I know it seems like a lot to us, but they can't find the items as easily overseas so that's the price they are willing to budget to get the items. Most are very understanding. I love my International buyers for the most part!
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Oh, and it may be wise to pick up an Express T- vek envelope too. I always put the jeans in the t-vek then slip into the flat rate. It makes it easier and if any of the parts of the cardboard envelope gets torn, it won't damage the jeans if in an envelope.

I try to always reinforce my flat rate envelopes when shipping overseas by placing packaging tape INSIDE the envelope in a criss-cross pattern on each inner side. That way they won't rip as easy and it doesn't show a bunch of tape on the outside (they get picky with tape on the outside sometimes). I learned that tip from a member here and it's been great. I have received envelopes before that have had an entire corner torn off and the jeans are barely staying inside the package upon delivery. Scary. They could get lost or stolen so easily!
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When you print the label online, it will have you add all the customs information necessary and it automatically prints on the shipping label so there is no need for additional forms from the post office. It will print out a couple sheets that you cut apart and you put 3 copies in the plastic envelope and keep one. You will need to pick up a Express Flat Rate envelope and the plastic customs envelope (with sticky backing) from the PO. Be sure to grab extras in case you rip the envelope trying to stuff it in the first time.

It saves you like $3-$4 when shipping International Express if shipping online so if you ship regularly it is definitely worth it.

Most International Buyers already know to expect the higher ship cost and are ok with it. I know it seems like a lot to us, but they can't find the items as easily overseas so that's the price they are willing to budget to get the items. Most are very understanding. I love my International buyers for the most part!

Thanks Fancypants you are always so helpful to me. I am glad I can print the customs stuff without having to worry about filling out the forms. Also thanks for the reminder about picking up some tyveck express mail evelopes, since I only have regular priority, one global priority mail one (I don't know why I have this). It makes more sense to me to get the ones that say express. I hope my little P.O. has express envelopes available so I can ship quickly. I would guess that would be something they have on hand. Now I just have to remember they close at 10:00 am on Sat. , and not 12 like the bigger PO's.
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Just out of curiosity, would there be other reason (other than someone being a complete douche canoe) for the buyer to not sign the affidavit? I mean, why does a scammer care if you get your money back? They're a scammer... it's not exactly like they're moral compass is properly functioning to begin with, so why would they care if you get your money back or not?

My own experience is that it is a pain in the ass to get people to sign the affidavit. Either it is the language barrier, the people are pissed off since they didn't receive their item, they just don't care because they already have their money back (or have the item and the money), they are straight up scammers who do not want people knowing where they live and are probably paranoid that signing that piece of paper is going to come back to haunt them some day etc.

Also depending on the 3rd party insurer you go through some take a significant amount of time to get everything processed. I think with u-pic it was over a month and a half before you could file and then you STILL had to get the buyer to sign and wait for approval. By that time the buyer has filed a dispute and won. With the post office depending on where the package was shipped you can file with in a month so the ball is rolling and that can help get the paper work dealt with prior to the buyer becoming to anxious and filing a dispute.

If you sell enough stuff better to self insure for what ever the shipping company will not cover. I rarely have lost or damaged packages and would be spending thousands on insurance each year, but the amount I would claim each year is between 0 - $500 ... so kind of a waste of money for me.
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Thanks Fancypants you are always so helpful to me. I am glad I can print the customs stuff without having to worry about filling out the forms. Also thanks for the reminder about picking up some tyveck express mail evelopes, since I only have regular priority, one global priority mail one (I don't know why I have this). It makes more sense to me to get the ones that say express. I hope my little P.O. has express envelopes available so I can ship quickly. I would guess that would be something they have on hand. Now I just have to remember they close at 10:00 am on Sat. , and not 12 like the bigger PO's.
No prob! If they don't have Express t-vek's, a Priority one will work just fine inside the flat rate.
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My buyer from Germany ended up buying a second pair of jeans from me for $99.99. So now my question is what is the best way to ship two pairs of TR jeans? To get the delivery confirmation and insurance for each pair would it be better to ship each pair separately in its own express flat mail envelope? Or would it be better to ship together somehow? I am thinking two pairs of jeans won't fit in one priority express flat envelope, or would they folded somehow? Thoughts anyone, who has shipped two pairs at once.
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It is definitely possible to fit both pair in one flat rate envelope but it does take some careful stuffing and practice. If you scroll back through the pages in here, I wrote a pic tutorial on how to fit two pairs.

If they are both really thick pairs like TR Super T's then it might be more difficult. But two regular sized pairs of womens jeans is pretty easy.

Shipping together in an Express Box is around $40-$45 if I remember right. A little less then shipping two separate packages but definitely try to get them both in there.

Oh, and MAKE SURE that they pay in ONE single payment if you are going to be shipping them together. Otherwise it could lead to problems.
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It is definitely possible to fit both pair in one flat rate envelope but it does take some careful stuffing and practice. If you scroll back through the pages in here, I wrote a pic tutorial on how to fit two pairs.

If they are both really thick pairs like TR Super T's then it might be more difficult. But two regular sized pairs of womens jeans is pretty easy.

Shipping together in an Express Box is around $40-$45 if I remember right. A little less then shipping two separate packages but definitely try to get them both in there.

Oh, and MAKE SURE that they pay in ONE single payment if you are going to be shipping them together. Otherwise it could lead to problems.




Of course it is two pairs of TR Super T's and they are really thick. I sold via ebay, so it will group the jeans together for payment wise anyway. I didn't see the express box as one of the choices for shipping, so I didn't know it was available. I will have to search the USPS site more to see if I can find the Express Box.

Ok I just figured out that the Express Boxes that you can get online can be used for domestic or international. So tomorrow I will just go to the PO and get Express mail envelopes, Tyvek Express envelopes, and express mail boxes if they have them, and see what fits.

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It is not Express "box" just standard express mail (unlike express flat rate where there is specific packaging). You need to provide your own box/envelope in this case. You could also try using 2 express tyvek envelopes put together ... put the 2 pairs of jeans in 1 envelope and put that envelope into the other envelope so that both openings are facing each other. Then tape it up - those envelopes are free and weight a lot less than a box.
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Of course it is two pairs of TR Super T's and they are really thick. I sold via ebay, so it will group the jeans together for payment wise anyway. I didn't see the express box as one of the choices for shipping, so I didn't know it was available. I will have to search the USPS site more to see if I can find the Express Box. I have a global priority mail box that says 4 pounds max, but it is not an express box (it doesn't say it anywhere on it). Since I want the tracking and insurance I am thinking I must find and use the Express mail box.
They should have some Express boxes there that will fit 2 pairs of jeans just fine for free. Otherwise you can just use a regular brown box and they will mark them with Express stickers. Two pairs of super t's in a box is going to weigh probably just over 3lbs so will ship at the 4lb rate. You may get lucky if they are light weight and have it weigh in just under 3. Or if you ship them in an Express t-vek envelope it should weight just under 3lbs that way. I would double bag them though if you go that route. They should be fine in a t-vek. It will be a tight squeeze but much easier then trying to fit them in a flat rate envelope.

I just checked the rates for you and the 3lb rate to Germany from me is $40.80 if paid online and the 4lb rate is $45.22. Good luck!


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You are right Fancypants I just figured out I will have to use the 4 pound level which is $45.22 (since I weighed the jeans with a box that is approximately what the express box will weight, and came up with 3.56 weight). Then I added insurance for $200, since only $100 is free and I am shipping two $100 pairs. That added .80 to the cost for a total of $46.02 total. To me that extra .80 is money well spent if anything were to happen to the package. Hopefully the PO has the express box, and I will be set to ship. I am going to know more than I ever thought I would know about international shipping before this is over.

Not to mention this thread has already saved me money tonight. I sold another pair of jeans domestically tonight, and usually I would ship them in a tyvek envelope. Thankfully I read this thread, because I only charged $7 for shipping, and using a only a tyvek envelope would have cost me almost $9 to ship. Since I followed the folding steps, and using the flat rate envelope after the tyvek, I can ship the jeans for the flat rate of $4.75. So instead of losing $2 on shipping, I can ship for the cost I asked with a litte extra for ebays high fees. I'm sad when I think of the money I could have saved in shipping in the past, but glad I know this trick for the future.
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It is not Express "box" just standard express mail (unlike express flat rate where there is specific packaging). You need to provide your own box/envelope in this case. You could also try using 2 express tyvek envelopes put together ... put the 2 pairs of jeans in 1 envelope and put that envelope into the other envelope so that both openings are facing each other. Then tape it up - those envelopes are free and weight a lot less than a box.
That is certainly an idea, expecially if the PO doesn't have any express boxes.

I found this picture of the boxes online anyway.

https://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/sto...WT.ac=10000231

A priority mail flat rate box (as this is about the same dimentions as the express box offered) weighs almost 9 ozs on my postal scale, so using just the tyvek would save a bit on the weight. However I just weighed my jeans by themselves and they weight 3 lbs, so I would be right over the limit of 3 lbs, even with a couple of .4 ounce tyveks, and a couple of ounces extra for the shipping label, packing invoice and tape on the shipping label. I bet I would be at 3.2 or 3.3 in weight, so I would still have to pay the 4 lb level. If only those jeans weighed 3 ounces less.

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I love this! When I first started shipping clothing to my customers I didn't know what I was doing, and now I can fit anything (almost) in an envelope. This denim one is great, I'll have to try this next time I send out jeans!
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Probably gonna reshoot this. We don't usually have an issue with ripping envelopes. Just an odd angle that we packed this one at so we could shoot the video.
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