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The DMM rules were on our side - completely, IMO - but have any of you read what it says on the actual envelope?

"Any amount of mailable material may be enclosed, as long as the envelope is not modified..." Nothing following the word "modified" to work in our favor. Such as, "...the design of the container is not to be enlarged BY opening the sides" which is what's stated in the DMM.

Modify:

"Changed in form or character." Form = shape

I guess, technically, these ass hats, although at times operating on a stratospheric level of idiocy, were right all along?
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:57 PM
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Genius. I used to send jeans using the large envelope and you should see the flat rate envelopes I try to stuff when returning stuff. I'll use this from now on.
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Kelly, you are right, I was so angry but I guess why fight it anymore. I spent 3 hours at the post office and on the phone only to get even angrier. Other offices take my packages so it will work still. thanks
sorry I am a little late. Just got done fighting w/ my post office about this. You need to get the number of some higher level people than just talking to the people who work the counter. I believe the title is package specialist or something like that.

I just had a "package specialist" come out to my place and say my packages were all good. Then he went to the post office and told them they have to accept my stuff.


Guess there is a new post master in LA who thought FLAT rate envelope means the envelope needs to be flat ...
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Wohoo!! I just fit two size 29 jeans in ONE flat rate envelope!! Thanks for the photos and advice!!!

Also - now that I do carrier pick ups, I NEVER have any problems with any of my packages. I only ever really had any problems when I actually had interaction with the counter people...
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^Mike, this has been an ongoing thing for me - perhaps you could share your thoughts on the matter?

I personally went so far as to speak with the district manager on more than one occasion after not being able to get through to the employees, the post master, two "managers" and the head supervisor of my local PO. District manager told me that, "There should be no more problems", but that didn't seem to fly with the locals. I mean I went the whole nine yards with every single one of them, and judging by their expression, I'm assuming I was speaking in tongues because it seemed as if none of them understood (or wanted to understand) a single word of what I was saying.

I explained how Flat Rate doesn't mean the package needs to be flat. Tried the whole, "If it fits, it ships" thing to no avail. Even spoke to the post master about how tape can be applied to the flap and seams but had to literally go to my car, grab the DMM, staple the fucking thing to his forehead for him to finally get to the point where he didn't completely dismiss the idea - STILL didn't agree, but dropped the whole, "No, you CANNOT add tape" argument. It's amazing how hardheaded some of these people are, they're just not trying to hear any of it.

What I'm wondering (regardless of what the hell they -think- is right or wrong) is this: How would one not only dismiss what is stated on the FR envelope (mentioned above), but this, also:
Using Tape on Envelopes/Boxes:

When mailing using the Priority Mail® service, Express Mail® service or Priority Mail International® flat rate, the contents of the flat rate envelope must be confined within the envelope with the adhesive provided on the flap as the primary means of closure. Contents must also be confined within the box secured with tape.

o The flap must have the ability to close and adhere to the envelope.
o Tape may be applied to reinforce the flap of the envelope and to secure the box.
o The design /shape of the envelope or the box may not enlarged by any means.

Note: Turning a flat envelope into a small "box" shape by including bulky items is a method of enlarging the dimensions and is not an acceptable use of the Flat Rate envelopes.
Which can be found here:

USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - Mail Preparation – Mailing Packages

I suppose one could argue what the definition of "box" truly is, but besides that (or perhaps finding exact dimensions for a Flat Rate envelope), I personally don't see a way around it. What do you think?
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I just shipped 2 pairs of mens sz 29 jeans in a flat rate envelope. It took me 3 tries, each folding the jeans in a different way...close to 30 minutes and I was exhausted after .
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Some of you guys seriously got it good.

Mike got to ship a toaster in his FR envelope (or so it seemed to be the case a page back) and I can't ship a gatdamn shirt?

Incredible!
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I figured out the only way around this is to simply take your stuff to another post office. Normally I take my stuff to the post office near my work since thats most convenient for me but thats where the mail nazi resides. So, last week I stuffed 4 xbox 360 games in a flat rate envelope and taped the bejeezus out of it. Sent it out in a blue mailbox near my gym (which is nowhere near my work - 1 hour or so away) and it made it there without any problems. The time I put them in the blue mailbox at the one by my work with tape on them they showed up at my door with a nasty note in it the next day.

So , I just take them to another blue box and my problems are solved.
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I just shipped 2 pairs of mens sz 29 jeans in a flat rate envelope. It took me 3 tries, each folding the jeans in a different way...close to 30 minutes and I was exhausted after .


we can has pixorz?

Also, though this is only indirectly related...has anyone observed problems with their double-stuffed flat-rate envelopes being forwarded as other mail might? I sold 2 size 28 pairs to a girl on Craigslist (one short inseam, even) and, though she said all her other packages had been forwarded to her new address, that one ended up being sent back to me, which meant the buyer had to shell out for extra shipping and I had to ship to her new, unconfirmed address. She seemed surprised that the package hadn't gone through, but I figured the size might have had something to do with it. No problems when I reshipped them, though.
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we can has pixorz?

Also, though this is only indirectly related...has anyone observed problems with their double-stuffed flat-rate envelopes being forwarded as other mail might? I sold 2 size 28 pairs to a girl on Craigslist (one short inseam, even) and, though she said all her other packages had been forwarded to her new address, that one ended up being sent back to me, which meant the buyer had to shell out for extra shipping and I had to ship to her new, unconfirmed address. She seemed surprised that the package hadn't gone through, but I figured the size might have had something to do with it. No problems when I reshipped them, though.
Sounds more like her forwarding expired. They should update their address instead of having their mail forwarded ...

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^Mike, this has been an ongoing thing for me - perhaps you could share your thoughts on the matter?

I personally went so far as to speak with the district manager on more than one occasion after not being able to get through to the employees, the post master, two "managers" and the head supervisor of my local PO. District manager told me that, "There should be no more problems", but that didn't seem to fly with the locals. I mean I went the whole nine yards with every single one of them, and judging by their expression, I'm assuming I was speaking in tongues because it seemed as if none of them understood (or wanted to understand) a single word of what I was saying.

I explained how Flat Rate doesn't mean the package needs to be flat. Tried the whole, "If it fits, it ships" thing to no avail. Even spoke to the post master about how tape can be applied to the flap and seams but had to literally go to my car, grab the DMM, staple the fucking thing to his forehead for him to finally get to the point where he didn't completely dismiss the idea - STILL didn't agree, but dropped the whole, "No, you CANNOT add tape" argument. It's amazing how hardheaded some of these people are, they're just not trying to hear any of it.

What I'm wondering (regardless of what the hell they -think- is right or wrong) is this: How would one not only dismiss what is stated on the FR envelope (mentioned above), but this, also:
Using Tape on Envelopes/Boxes:

When mailing using the Priority Mail® service, Express Mail® service or Priority Mail International® flat rate, the contents of the flat rate envelope must be confined within the envelope with the adhesive provided on the flap as the primary means of closure. Contents must also be confined within the box secured with tape.

o The flap must have the ability to close and adhere to the envelope.
o Tape may be applied to reinforce the flap of the envelope and to secure the box.
o The design /shape of the envelope or the box may not enlarged by any means.

Note: Turning a flat envelope into a small "box" shape by including bulky items is a method of enlarging the dimensions and is not an acceptable use of the Flat Rate envelopes.
Which can be found here:

USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - Mail Preparation – Mailing Packages

I suppose one could argue what the definition of "box" truly is, but besides that (or perhaps finding exact dimensions for a Flat Rate envelope), I personally don't see a way around it. What do you think?
I think the people who are not accepting your packages are morons ... you need to take it to the NEXT level. If the district manager didn't do anything get his boss to take care of it. Have them meet with you at the post office to approve your packages and tell the clerk to accept them.

Also I would file a complaint about the parties involved. Just call up the 800 number and speak to a rep. When the clerk refuses your package get their name and file a complaint against them. If the manager says you cannot ship file against them.

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Note: Turning a flat envelope into a small "box" shape by including bulky items is a method of enlarging the dimensions and is not an acceptable use of the Flat Rate envelopes.
I already spoke to a package specialist, who was recommended to me by the people refusing my packages. Now keep in mind this is the guy who was supposed to tell me that I could NOT ship the packages because they were against the policies in the DMM. He approved my packages. He stated if it fits it ships. Not sure who wrote that FAQ but they are incorrect. The DMM does NOT state the envelope must be flat or that it cannot be bulky.




Anyways as I suggested contact a higher level, file complaints and contact a package specialist.
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Thanks, Mike!

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you need to take it to the NEXT level.
Trust me, I would and have no problem taking it as far as it could go, if only -I- knew/believed that they were in the wrong. The reason it stopped at the district manager (who, by the way, is also a complete dumbass) was because I ran into the above information. It honestly, at first, seemed as if the locals were just being ignorant assholes, but upon reading the above rules and what it says on the actual envelope, I'm not so sure any more - they just -may- technically be right. I'll ask USPS to send out a package specialist and we'll see what he/she has to say.

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The DMM does NOT state the envelope must be flat or that it cannot be bulky.
Yea', I know. But the above "rules" do, in fact, exist, tho'. Are they no longer valid? Who do they apply to? No one? Why do they even exist? And more importantly, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to enforce a rule/set of rules that someone obviously took the time to write - even if they're not listed in the DMM. Something I'll definitely enjoy looking into, that's for sure.

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Not sure who wrote that FAQ but they are incorrect.
Also not sure who specifically wrote them, but as far as I could tell, they're from the official USPS website.

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Also I would file a complaint about the parties involved. Just call up the 800 number and speak to a rep.
Oh, I have! With both USPS and consumer affairs. The lady at the consumer affairs office was the one that connected me with the all-knowing district manager. But if I get to the point where I know without a doubt that they are in the wrong, I'll be sure to bypass the DM and speak to the person he answers to.

Anyway, I appreciate your insight, man. Thanks again!
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DMM over rides that FAQ. Package specialist who is assigned to investigate violations also overrides that FAQ.


Lets use common sense and logic to think about this. Anything more than a few peices of paper is going to make the package "bulky". You could ship paper that is less than 13 oz via 1st class mail. I can ship 4 comics which is approx 50 - 80 pages of paper via 1st class mail. 50 pages is going to make that envelope "bulky" and "modified" according to that FAQ. So it would be cheaper to ship 1st class and the delivery time is not really that much different. What would the purpose be of the flat rate envelope if you could only mail a few sheets of paper in it (and it would be less to mail them via 1st class) ....

Not to mention the whole if it fits, it ships ... It doesn't say if it fits and is not bulky it ships. As long as you are following the guidelines set forth by the DMM you can ship it.


Where are you located. I will contact the package specialist I spoke with and have him get me a number that you can call and have someone come out.
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That would be great, thanks! I'm from Chicago.

Earlier today, and before checking for your response, I called USPS and spoke with one of the reps. I gave him a brief, yet detailed explanation of what was happening and asked him if he could send out a "specialist." Even after having explained the situation to him, he gives me the number to my local PO. Told him that -they- were the ones not letting me ship my packages and that I needed a somewhat non-biased opinion from someone who specifically deals with such matters - he then provided me with contact information for a PO about a block down. lol

So yea', a number and a specific title would be awesome!
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Check out this package I got the other day! 2 pair of Super T in there!!
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Just to note, I wasnt the stuffer, I was only the receiver.
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That's impressive. Was it sent by an AFer?
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I use the flat rate envelopes often, and fold the same way just never thought of the tyvek envelope inside how clever is that. Thank you
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Wow... I got ripped off last time I shipped! God damn it! They told me I have to use the bigger envelope and I paid like $9 shipping to TX from OH! The person at the counter told me my jeans wouldn't fit in the $4.80 Flat Rate and I actually agreed with her 'cause the envelopes do look kinda small... errr

This thread is so effing helpful. I am thankful for its existence!!
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Wow, I just found this thread. Very helpful. Thanks so much!
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Fabulous and brilliant. Thanks to whoever bumped this thread. I have lost way too much mailing in medium box. Will try this method tomorrow on 2 pairs of jeans I just sold... THANKS MODS (luvapup and idalis and the rest who contributed)!
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