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Old 12-29-2008, 04:23 PM
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Slavery in America...

Look around your nice suburb and see what your neighbors are doing....

Child maid trafficking spreads from Africa to U.S. - International Herald Tribune

Summary for the TL;DR crowd: Cultures are not equal. Some cultures ARE inferior to others. Don't believe me? Send your wife or daughter to Africa or the Middle East and shut up.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:13 PM
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i believe many of the problems of the world would improve is some serious birth control methods were applied in certain places
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:19 PM
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seriously, who the hell has 10 kids when they can't even feed themselves
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One of the most fucked-up things I have read in a while. It's outrageous. And truly depressing. Completely agree with you on the fact that not all cultures are created equal, Avatar.
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i believe many of the problems of the world would improve is some serious birth control methods were applied in certain places
Women's rights in general need to approve. It doesn't matter how many free condoms you send to Africa if the women can't tell the men to use them without getting beaten
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Women's rights in general need to approve. It doesn't matter how many free condoms you send to Africa if the women can't tell the men to use them without getting beaten
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Damnit I said "approve"
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you have a good point, but still

In these past days i read that about 5 million children under the age of 5 will die due hunger and malnutrition, and this has been happening for ever and they (UN and other organizations) predict it will get worst, so wouldn't it be wiser to stop these kids from being born (and i mean conceived)?. No matter if it is a condom, the pill or sterilizing these women, i just can't believe they just keep letting it happen while they (all these "humanitarian organizations") have ages working there

And, in all honesty, i think what the article reads is disgusting but, if i had to choose between a child working as a maid or starving to death...
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An contract signed by illiterate parents isn't a good example, but I have no problem with free market, free trade.

As fucked up as it sounds in many countries the average child is worse of then being a 'maid' in this.

Africa is rampant with disease, even basic needs like clean water is not guarantee, the country infrastructure is piss poor and the educational system is non-exsistent. There are many african kids (the one in the article included) that would more than likely end up being abused by an illiterate male who weilds an AK for some rebel group thinking he is the shit.

It is a sad, truth, not everyone lives in this great coutnry of ours, and even fewer are lucky enough to be adopted by Angelina Jolie.

So given the choice of this guy as your future husband:
VS this as your life:

I'm not sure the latter is so appalling....
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one cannot (in the u.s.) contract themselves into slavery as it is an unconscionable contract.

furthermore, a child cannot consent to sign a binding contract.
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Sounds like a personal problem
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one cannot (in the u.s.) contract themselves into slavery as it is an unconscionable contract.

furthermore, a child cannot consent to sign a binding contract.
who said a slave contract? it's merely a labor agreement.

And the article clearly states that the parents of the child signed the contract not the child herself. Like I mentiooned above the illiterate nature of the parents is a little concerning, but other than that I see no problem with it.

I am well aware that there are child labor laws in the US, my point is, are they really just? What's worse, working for someone? Or living in a dilapated part of Africa, were AIDs is wide spread and Hunger is still a relevant concern.
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i am not talking about child labor laws, i am talking about defective cultures where parents sell children
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you have a good point, but still

In these past days i read that about 5 million children under the age of 5 will die due hunger and malnutrition, and this has been happening for ever and they (UN and other organizations) predict it will get worst, so wouldn't it be wiser to stop these kids from being born (and i mean conceived)?. No matter if it is a condom, the pill or sterilizing these women, i just can't believe they just keep letting it happen while they (all these "humanitarian organizations") have ages working there

And, in all honesty, i think what the article reads is disgusting but, if i had to choose between a child working as a maid or starving to death...
Yes, it would be better, but its just not going to happen without social change. Fathers sure as hell won't let their daughters get birth control, we're talking about cultures that still perform female circumcision to discourage sex. The husbands probably won't be bothered to pay for birth control medicine, much less major surgery, and women have no financial independence. Condoms are generally out of the question as men believe it makes sex less pleasurable and the women have no right to say no.
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i am not talking about child labor laws, i am talking about defective cultures where parents sell children

Another way off looking at it is they successfully got their child out of a country where she had a 1/4 chance of contracting AIDs...
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that's spurious logic to be certain
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The AIDS statistics in Africa don't make working 20 hrs a day in slavery acceptible. We had 1000 or so Somalian refugees move to small town Kansas and the cultural differences were unbelievably vast. Virtually all of the women undergo the most extreme form of female genital mutilation. You could say that is OK because at least they are out of their home country, but just because their situation is "better" here does not mean they are not guilty of human rights violations.
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For the record female gentital mutilation is a common practice in Africa as well.

And I have said this before, you are under the assumption that all humans are born with some intrinisc right.

It's not a basic right to be fed, it is something you earn. Even caveman milleniums ago understood that...
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I would hire one of those kids as a maid just to get them from their fucked up parents and shitty lives....then I'd adopt them as my own

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And I have said this before, you are under the assumption that all humans are born with some intrinisc right.

It's not a basic right to be fed, it is something you earn. Even caveman milleniums ago understood that...



I call bullshit, Buddha. How can a 6 month old baby earn the right to be fed? Kids DO HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO BE FED!!!!! PERIOD.
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I call bullshit, Buddha. How can a 6 month old baby earn the right to be fed? Kids DO HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO BE FED!!!!! PERIOD.
It is sad, but there are hundreds of millions of starving children in the world. If you get out of the OECD countries it is actually quite common.
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It is sad, but there are hundreds of millions of starving children in the world. If you get out of the OECD countries it is actually quite common.
Yeah but by your statement you are saying its okay and that even children should have to "work" for their food.
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it depends on how you view the concept of rights and responsibilities.

if you believe in personal responsibility for one's own actions, it would seem that you have an obligation to feed your own child. *I* do not have an obligation to feed any starving child, nor do I care about them, but if I chose to have a child, I could not let it starve to death because it didn't work for its food.
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it depends on how you view the concept of rights and responsibilities.

if you believe in personal responsibility for one's own actions, it would seem that you have an obligation to feed your own child. *I* do not have an obligation to feed any starving child, nor do I care about them, but if I chose to have a child, I could not let it starve to death because it didn't work for its food.
^^Ummm....YEAH!! But Buddha would let his kid starve to death I guess that is unless the child worked for its food
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