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Old 12-03-2011, 12:17 AM
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AF member Paulzone2k is a scammer!!!

ok, I am really pissed; and I think I have more than patient in waiting for a response......

Here's the story: (The HTML tags aren't working, but there are links to pics....

Paulzone2k had a pair or R&R's listed here, and on eBay (seller id: pnmgroup)

I purchased them on eBay and also PM'd him on here to let him know that I was a fellow AF'er.....


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I received the jeans and they were too big so they sat in my closet for months...

Then, when I decided to clean house and sell some of my extra stuff, I proceeded to take pictures of the jeans to list them on eBay....

At this point I noticed that there was an IRREGULAR stamp on the inside of the jeans....


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I went back and looked at the original listing, and posting here on AF, and there was no mention of the IRREGULAR stamp....

So I PM'd paulzone2k to ask him what was up.........


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Well, taht was almost 4 months ago, and still NO RESPONSE to this day......

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Old 12-03-2011, 12:48 AM
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Wow really? Calling him oit as a 'scammer' over the very faded irregular stamp... I personally think that's just ridiculous and going overboard. Maybe it wasn't noticed by him. I never used to look inside the jeans until I learned of irregulars.
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:29 AM
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1st of all if you can't even figure out what the irregularity is per your PM it must not be that bad. R&R used to mark ALL pairs purchased at the sample sale as irregular even if they had no flaws and were just overstock. Even a "loose stitch" could get a pair of jeans marked as irregular.

2nd you should inspect the jeans when you get them, not 4 months later. Don't expect sellers to field questions on items they sold several months ago. They don't have the jeans in person and in general there is a reasonable time period for you to take up any issues you have with the seller. PayPal gives you 45 days. For a pair of jeans you should probably determine if you have any issues with in a much quicker time range.

3rd saying the seller is a "scammer" is being overly dramatic and blowing this out of proportion. We are talking about a pair of jeans with no easily noticeable problems.You did not see any problems upon receipt and did not contact the seller for over 4 months only after deciding to sell the jeans. At which point you found the irregular stamp when inspecting the jeans, and I would assume still did not find any easily noticeable irregularities based on your e-mail to the seller.

Well they probably should have noted the jeans were stamped irregular, if there are no problems other than a small stamp on the inside of the pocket - I personally don't see what the issue is here. The seller is definitely not a scammer based on the information provided. The stamp is not going to affect the selling price. I have sold many jeans with the irregular stamp w/ no actual irregularities for the same price/similar prices to what I get for "1st quality" pairs.
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But what's your guys' justification for the fact that he never responded to my message back in August?

I was asking him if he could shed some light on why they were stamped IRREGULAR - that's all I was asking....

If they were stamped IRREGULAR because they were sold at a sample sale, that's fine, I just wish he would have responded to my PM and TOLD me that...you know, so that I could put that bit of important information in the listing description when I wanted to sell them....
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:28 PM
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But what's your guys' justification for the fact that he never responded to my message back in August?
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Your message was sent on 8-9-11.

It's not our responsibility to justify why he didn't respond to your PM. He hasn't logged in since 2 days before your message was sent. Who knows what happened, maybe he decided to burn all his R&R in the street, maybe he moved to the Antarctica, maybe his moms sisters brothers cousin recruited him to be a Spaceball.

He may not know the jeans were marked irregular or if he did he may not know why. It doesn't really matter. You should look them over and determine if there is any problems. If yes, list them with those issues stated. He hasn't even been on the site to respond to you, so don't expect a response until he logs in. As it is it was over 4 months at the time you sent the PM which means it is now over 7 month? Seems like a long time to be concerned about this. You could have sold the jeans by now.

Calling him a scammer because he didn't respond to your PM after he has not logged into the site since before you sent it is ridiculous. This is NOT a scam, there is no reason to claim it is a scam. Other than the jeans not fitting at the time of receipt you were/should have been satisfied with them otherwise you would/should have taken it up with the seller at that time. Contacting them over 4 months after the transaction to dispute an issue such as this is not appropriate. I could understand if there was an issue with authenticity and you only found out 4 months later. In this case though you had the jeans to inspect, I assume inspected them and were happy enough to put them in your closet for 4 months until you decided to sell.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:33 PM
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Agree with everything mike said. There is no point in any of this. Sell the jeans and move on, and inspect your items thoroughly immediately upon receiving them in the future.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:37 PM
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Agree with everything mike said. There is no point in any of this. Sell the jeans and move on, and inspect your items thoroughly immediately upon receiving them in the future.
So you don't see anything morally wrong with seller not responding to a simple question by a buyer, albeit a few months after the purchase? Does customer service end after money exchanges hands?

I'm sure all you guys are friends, why don't you ask Paul to reply to my thread, at least???
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:45 PM
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I'm sure all you guys are friends, why don't you ask Paul to reply to my thread, at least???
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I have no idea who Paul is so he is no friend of mine.

Did you just send him a message here or by email? Regardless, it is so after the fact he doesn't need to do anything IMO.

I also keep forgetting this is about an irregular STAMP and not even any actual flaw on the jean
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:11 PM
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So you don't see anything morally wrong with seller not responding to a simple question by a buyer, albeit a few months after the purchase? Does customer service end after money exchanges hands?

I'm sure all you guys are friends, why don't you ask Paul to reply to my thread, at least???


I don't think you request for a response is unreasonable BUT he has NOT logged in since 2 days PRIOR to you sending that message. So expecting a response from him when he has not even seen the message is not only unreasonable it is illogical.

Lets flip this around. Do you see anything ethically wrong with posting that he is a "scammer" because he didn't respond to your question? I do. It is a inaccurate representation of what has happened. He did NOT scam you, not responding to an message is NOT a scam. If he sent you a fake, stole your money, phished your personal info etc then that is a scam. Not responding to an message is just poor customer service - but consider the other facts involved:

1. you received the item, accurately described - inspected by yourself when you received it
2. other party has not logged into check messages since before you send message
3. you accused other party of scamming you publicly when there is clearly no scam involved.
4. you do not need his communication to list the item for sale. You can describe it accurately with out his response.

At this point I would suggest list the jeans and move on. I certainly won't waste any further time on this issue because the facts have been stated multiple times and you simply choose to ignore them.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:24 AM
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I am going to start a thread titled, "AF Member jc87 is an unreasonable wackadoodle"!
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:34 AM
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:05 AM
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So you don't see anything morally wrong with seller not responding to a simple question by a buyer, albeit a few months after the purchase? Does customer service end after money exchanges hands?

I'm sure all you guys are friends, why don't you ask Paul to reply to my thread, at least???
Yes, I am personal friends with all 37,000 members of this site.

How would I ask him to reply except to PM him exactly as you did, resulting in the same outcome.... he won't see it because he HASN'T SIGNED IN HERE SINCE BEFORE YOU PM'ed HIM.

This is silly and unnecessarily inflammatory as was already stated, and also totally illogical as was stated. The question of morality of not replying to something which you have no knowledge of the existence of, is beyond irrational, and you are basically suggesting it is immoral to not be psychic. In which case you have much bigger issues than an irregular stamp.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:49 AM
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:31 AM
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Clearly, the OP made way too much fuss about it. He, probably, paid a lot and thinks that he may lose loads of money because of this irregulat stamp.

How much did you pay for the jeans OP?
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:08 AM
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How much did you pay for the jeans OP?
$91. But that is completely irrelevant.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:11 AM
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completely irrelevant.
as is the entire thread
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:25 AM
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$91. But that is completely irrelevant.
yeah.. just asking.. wasn't bothered to look up.
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this thread is ridic
To the OP, sometimes u win and sometimes u lose some. It is what it is
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In this case, he's not even losing anything.
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Old 12-06-2011, 05:53 PM
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Wow, sense of entitlement much? No, I don't see anything morally wrong with someone not replying to a message that they haven't even seen. That's absolutely ridiculous. Making a big fuss out of a tiny missed detail on the other hand.....
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I am going to start a thread titled, "AF Member jc87 is an unreasonable wackadoodle"!
^ do it double dare you just please add "immoral" before wackadoodle

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This is unnecessarily inflammatory... you have much bigger issues than an irregular stamp.
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