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Old 11-19-2011, 03:05 PM
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Is this is a rip off attempt?

I got this message from a user about a shirt I have on auction. I assume this is an attempt to force me to sell him the shirt at half price through Ebay rules. However, I've only been selling actively for a few months - I'm not sure how everything works yet. I just don't see how the ebay final price would affect the customs fees though.

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i am just seeing your dsquared shirt..i am interested in..if you do not sell it for this price..i like to buy it for 200 $, hope you can agree..in adition i would like to buy it this way..you change the price..down to 100 $ or similar..i place a bid..you close the auction..with me as winner..then i pay..and in also i pay the rest to the price...i need this because ohterwhise i have to pay a lot of custom duties.. would be nice if you can agree...i did that sometimes and it works well..thanks..hope you understand my english..

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Old 11-19-2011, 03:15 PM
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He basically wants you to devalue the package when shipping which I don't recommend.
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:17 PM
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I assume this is an attempt to force me to sell him the shirt at half price through Ebay rules
what does this sentence mean?
The buyer isn't forcing you to do anything.
He's more or less asking if the auction ends without any bids would you sell it for $100 (half price). It looks like he is trying to buy it outside of ebay, which is against ebay policy. He doesn't want to pay duties, but that's the price you pay when you buy something from another country.
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:29 PM
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what does this sentence mean?
What I'm thinking is this is an attempt to get me to close the auction with a $100 bid and then him re-negging on paying the remaining $100 balance and filing a complaint with ebay to try and force me to sell him the shirt for a grand total of $100, instead of the agreed upon $200.

His reasoning is customs duties, but I assume customs would have no idea what the item sold for at auction. I don't get his reasoning so I was assuming malicious motives, which was perhaps wrong. It does seem like an odd request though...
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:51 PM
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Whatever it is, if it doesn't feel right, just say no.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:16 PM
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I would just ignore him completely.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:24 PM
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He is indeed asking you to relist it for $100, then he will buy it ON ebay, but pay you $200. In doing so he wants you to write the value as only $100 on the customs form, then he will be able to use a print out of the auction page to show as proof of the price.

Of course you cannot insure the package properly for the full value if you write it is only worth $100, so if it is lost or damaged, you eat the loss. And of course you are committing a crime since the value of the item/purchase price is not really $100.

I doubt he's trying to force the issue that he should only pay $100, just wants to create an even better "paper trail" to prove the falsified value if he needs to at customs. New twist, same ol' story. Say no.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:37 PM
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I'll tell him no. Thanks for the help.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:46 PM
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it sounds like he would be paying twice through paypal too, and you can only provide tracking for 1 payment on the package, so technically he could file a dispute for the payment that isnt tracked, and get 100$ back as well.
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:26 PM
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He is indeed asking you to relist it for $100, then he will buy it ON ebay, but pay you $200. In doing so he wants you to write the value as only $100 on the customs form, then he will be able to use a print out of the auction page to show as proof of the price.

Of course you cannot insure the package properly for the full value if you write it is only worth $100, so if it is lost or damaged, you eat the loss. And of course you are committing a crime since the value of the item/purchase price is not really $100.

I doubt he's trying to force the issue that he should only pay $100, just wants to create an even better "paper trail" to prove the falsified value if he needs to at customs. New twist, same ol' story. Say no.

My understanding about paypal is that as long as there is a trace that shows that the parcel was mailed, the seller does not have to choose to eat the cost should the parcel get lost or be damaged in transit?
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:39 PM
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^ if the package gets lost or damaged the seller is responsible for opening an insurance claim through the carrier used. The claim can only be for the dollar amount insured + shipping cost (in some cases). It has nothing to do with PP unless I'm not getting what you're saying.
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:47 PM
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^ if the package gets lost or damaged the seller is responsible for opening an insurance claim through the carrier used. The claim can only be for the dollar amount insured + shipping cost (in some cases). It has nothing to do with PP unless I'm not getting what you're saying.
basically i am asking if paypal will automatically refund the buyer if the buyer does not receive the item; either if the tracking shows it was shipped but not delivered or if the tracking shows it was delivered but it has been damaged in transit. it seems that this was what idalis was saying.
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:59 PM
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PP will refund if it shows not delivered after X amount of days and the buyer opened the case as an item not received. If the item gets to the buyer and is damaged, it's up to the seller to initially do the right thing for the buyer and then take care of insurance issues. If the seller doesn't do anything and the buyer opens a NAD, PP will handle it in the same manner as any other NAD case.

Insurance is directly for the seller and indirectly for the buyer IMO
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:22 PM
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basically i am asking if paypal will automatically refund the buyer if the buyer does not receive the item; either if the tracking shows it was shipped but not delivered or if the tracking shows it was delivered but it has been damaged in transit. it seems that this was what idalis was saying.
If an item is damaged (or lost from the package, etc), and the buyer files a paypal claim, seller loses. Insurance is the seller's protection in these cases. And obviously you can't buy more insurance than you claim the item is valued at.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:57 PM
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Thanks for the info. I've been wrong about that one for 5 years. :/
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:03 AM
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^also just to add some info for your question vik that for international shipments you need to have the item says specifically where the item was delivered. If it just says "Ontario, Canada" or "Germany" that is not valid for a paypal dispute. It needs to say something like "Toronto, Ontario" or "Berlin, Germany" Just saying it was delivered to a country in general is not enough info for paypal to confirm delivery. If it is domestic US for example it needs the zip code. For other countries domestic shipments it would need similar details.

For this case agree/ w Pam that the buyer wants create a false paper trail to show that the item sold for less than they paid to avoid customs fees. It's illegal and the seller is the 1 who can get into trouble when they get caught. Best to avoid deals like this entirely.
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