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Old 03-03-2010, 09:31 PM
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Unhappy Pumping @ work?

I need tips on effective feeding and pumping to increase milk for storage.

Ok, I go back to work on 4/3 and have been trying to pump more to increase my supply so the nanny will have milk to feed the baby while I'm gone. I know it's best to pump after each feeding to empty the breasts but right now Matthew is feeding an hour apart, an hr and a half if I'm lucky. He has been feeding from both sides most of the time now but the interval between feedings hasn't increased much that I've noticed. I don't have time to pump, cuz by that time, he'll be ready for more!

Also I work 8 to 9 hr shifts and will get a 30 minute break only. My schedule will be Wed 8 to 4, Thurs 2 to 10, Fri 2 to 10, every other Sat and Sun 9 to 6 and 10 to 6, respectively. Is it best to use an electric or manual pump? My job doesn't provide me with a private room for pumping so I was going to use a manual pump for periods of engorgement and an electric one in my car during my break. The problem with using a manual one is that it is time consuming but then there are no wires to worry about. I'd also have to find a discreet spot in the pharmacy to use the manual one. It gets busy sometimes and I don't know if I'll get a chance to use it, let alone eat and pee. On the weekends I am stuck working by myself due to recent budget cuts. All this worries me cuz I don't want what little supply of mik I have established to be compromised as I plan to BF for at least 6 months.

What am I to do? TIA!
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:43 PM
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Sorry I don't have any advice but as soon as I saw your schedule, I wondered if you worked in the pharmacy, my friend has similar hours
How did you do it with Ryan?
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:47 PM
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With Ryan it wasn't really much of an issue cuz I had taken 5 months off. I didn't pump for the last month so I just dealt with the engorgement and milk supply descreased subsequently.
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:49 PM
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Ah I see, well, good luck! I'm sure the ladies here will have good advice for you
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:59 PM
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I am pretty sure there is a law that your employer has to provide you with a private room that locks in order for you to pump.

Also, are you paid hourly or salary? If hourly, then you should get 15 minute break for every 4 hrs you work, plus 30 minutes for lunch for every 8 hrs. (These might vary a little by state, but generally you get a break every 4 hrs plus a lunch)

ETA: Sorry, I work in HR and we have to make sure we are providing these things for our employees.
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that's a tough one, linda. do you think he is nursing so frequently for comfort or because he is hungry?
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:22 PM
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I am pretty sure there is a law that your employer has to provide you with a private room that locks in order for you to pump.

Also, are you paid hourly or salary? If hourly, then you should get 15 minute break for every 4 hrs you work, plus 30 minutes for lunch for every 8 hrs. (These might vary a little by state, but generally you get a break every 4 hrs plus a lunch)

ETA: Sorry, I work in HR and we have to make sure we are providing these things for our employees.
I am salaried. We only get a 30 min break, most of the time no break. There's a 2 hr overlap with the other pharmacist. That would be the only time I can probably pump. The store manager offered the office for use but frankly I don't feel comfortable with just a "do not disturb" sign on the door and being in there with security cameras and a safe. The restroom is not an option..everyone uses it..I mean EVERYONE! Disgusting and unhygenic!

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that's a tough one, linda. do you think he is nursing so frequently for comfort or because he is hungry?
Cat, I dunno, I think it's cuz he wants comfort mostly cuz when I put him down after feeding, he wakes up right away and roots again. Then I put him back on and he sucks for a like 5 min (more like nibbles) then falls asleep again! But then one time I got so tired of it and decided to bottle feed him with some formula since I had no BM stored, he guzzled it down..4 ounces!
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:32 PM
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did he at least wait more than an hour to eat after the formula? lol
i would consider giving him a pacifier if you don't already.
i'm going to think more on this for a few minutes....
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:36 PM
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^ lol, i've typed out three responses and changed my mind.


i think a pacifier may be a good idea as well.
he's gotta be comfort nursing, which is ok if you're home all the time.
wow, i have to think about this one too.

oh, and don't base intake of your BM based on what he guzzled in formula. babies get milk fast and easily through a bottle, and they have to work at the breast. there really is no accurate measurement of how much BM he's drinking from you.

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Old 03-03-2010, 10:41 PM
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I've used both an electric and a manual

Double electric is super fast I got the most fastest out of it I only did this when my daughter could not BF and when I had infections

I've used a manual when my daughter was able to BF and I had only a little BM left in each breast

Have you tried pumping while your little one is sleeping? Does he at least nap for two hours or so?


ETA: Crap! I just read your reply That sucks. Do you have an office or such or could borrow another coworker's office?
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did he at least wait more than an hour to eat after the formula? lol
i would consider giving him a pacifier if you don't already.
i'm going to think more on this for a few minutes....
Lol I think it was 30 minutes. Sometimes a pacifier works, most of the time he'll refuse it. Either my milk isn't "fat" enough or he just isn't getting to the hind milk?!? I am hoping that the interval will increase as he gets older so I can have some reprieve.

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I've used both an electric and a manual

Double electric is super fast I got the most fastest out of it I only did this when my daughter could not BF and when I had infections

I've used a manual when my daughter was able to BF and I had only a little BM left in each breast

Have you tried pumping while your little one is sleeping? Does he at least nap for two hours or so?


ETA: Crap! I just read your reply That sucks. Do you have an office or such or could borrow another coworker's office?
I work in a pharmacy.
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Do you think he is filling up after each feeding or maybe falling asleep before he is full? My daughter would fall asleep during feedings and wake up if I put her down wanting to nurse some more. For a while I had to wake her up to get her to feed until she was full. Let me think some more about the pumping. I pumped for 6 months after I went back to work too.
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I can only base my answer on my own experience...
If you are going to successfully breast feed to 6 months you will have to pump every 2-3 hours at work. It is supply and demand. The pump does not empty the breast as well as a baby so if you only pump once in a 9 hour period I don't see your supply lasting too long. Sorry hun, but that is just my experience. I pumped at work for a year. It was tough but I demanded the flexibility and legally you can do the same. They have to give you unpaid breaks at the very least. Here's a link that can help you determine the laws in your state.
Breastfeeding State Laws

Here's Colorado's:
Colo. Rev. Stat. 8-13.5-101 et seq. (2008) require an employer to provide reasonable break time for an employee to express breast milk for her nursing child for up to two years after the child's birth. The employer shall make reasonable efforts to provide a place, other than a toilet stall, for the employee to express breast milk in privacy. The law also requires the Department of Labor and Employment to provide, on its website, information and links to other websites where employers can access information regarding methods to accommodate nursing mothers in the workplace. (2008 Colo., Sess. Laws, Chap. 106, HB 1276)

Oh and definitely go with an electric pump!

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Old 03-04-2010, 10:50 AM
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^yes, that's true.
i thought about this last night and this morning, but i honestly don't see how you're going to be able to pump enough for him while you're at work unless you're able to pump every 2-3 hours as liz said. it will also depend on how well you respond to the pump. you'll want to empty the breast as much as possible each pump session.
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Another thing, it would be best to rent a hospital pump. I did for the whole year for $55/month which I justified because formula is WAY more than that!

I was looking over the laws in various states and noticed that Vermont is so Pro-breastfeeding! They require your employer make reasonable accomodation for 3 years Not that I would breast feed that long personally but I believe it is great to have that option.

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Do you think your employer would allow you to split your 30 minute break into two 15 minute ones? This way you can pump just before your shift and twice during the shift. So during an 8-4 shift, pump at 7:45, 11 and 2. I agree that a hospital grade pump is the most efficient, but I don't think they are portable enough for you to use in your car. You definitely need a room where you can plug the unit in.

I would definitely recommend a hospital grade one if you need to try to pump in 15 minutes. Also, one trick to save time is to put the pump attachments in the fridge after you use them. I've also done this with the little cooler that you put blue ice in. This saves time so you don't have to wash and dry after each pumping session. At the next session, just put on new bottles or bags. After the last session, you can rinse them off and take them home to wash properly.

As for building a stash now, I would try to pump in the morning after you wake up. I found I was the most engorged then. I didn't necessarily pump to empty, but I could get 4-5 ounces without emptying. Since you mentioned that he may not necessarily be feeding due to hunger, you can always put him on to see if he needs the human pacifier. If not, you can always give him a bottle of the milk you just expressed.

Also have you tried a few different types of pacifiers? I've known kids who were really picky about the type of paci. Our pediatrician also mentioned trying different types, but DD wasn't into any kind of artificial nipple.
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Do you think your employer would allow you to split your 30 minute break into two 15 minute ones? This way you can pump just before your shift and twice during the shift. So during an 8-4 shift, pump at 7:45, 11 and 2. I agree that a hospital grade pump is the most efficient, but I don't think they are portable enough for you to use in your car. You definitely need a room where you can plug the unit in.

I would definitely recommend a hospital grade one if you need to try to pump in 15 minutes. Also, one trick to save time is to put the pump attachments in the fridge after you use them. I've also done this with the little cooler that you put blue ice in. This saves time so you don't have to wash and dry after each pumping session. At the next session, just put on new bottles or bags. After the last session, you can rinse them off and take them home to wash properly.

As for building a stash now, I would try to pump in the morning after you wake up. I found I was the most engorged then. I didn't necessarily pump to empty, but I could get 4-5 ounces without emptying. Since you mentioned that he may not necessarily be feeding due to hunger, you can always put him on to see if he needs the human pacifier. If not, you can always give him a bottle of the milk you just expressed.

Also have you tried a few different types of pacifiers? I've known kids who were really picky about the type of paci. Our pediatrician also mentioned trying different types, but DD wasn't into any kind of artificial nipple.
These are awsome suggestions!!!! You may be able to get a lighter to plug adapter for your car???
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These are awsome suggestions!!!! You may be able to get a lighter to plug adapter for your car???
Good idea Liz, my hubby has an adapter so that he can plug his laptop into the lighter in his work truck I would think something similar would work for a breast pump, as well.
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Thanks cat, liz, goldensurf, and april for all your insight. The car adapter is a great idea cuz the a/c adapter it comes generates a weaker pump. Goldensurf, we've tried both avent, playtex, and soothies pacifiers. He'll sometimes take the soothies one but refuses it mostly as with the others.
I will definitely try that break split for my 8 to 4 shifts. I dunno what to do about the 2 to 10 (the other pharmacist leaves at 4) and weekend shifts (I am the only pharmacist on duty) though.
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Thanks cat, liz, goldensurf, and april for all your insight. The car adapter is a great idea cuz the a/c adapter it comes generates a weaker pump. Goldensurf, we've tried both avent, playtex, and soothies pacifiers. He'll sometimes take the soothies one but refuses it mostly as with the others.
I will definitely try that break split for my 8 to 4 shifts. I dunno what to do about the 2 to 10 (the other pharmacist leaves at 4) and weekend shifts (I am the only pharmacist on duty) though.

My friend who is a Pharmacist for K-Mart has a 'Will return in X minutes' sign for when she takes her lunch, has to go to the bathroom, etc. Will they let you do that?
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My friend who is a Pharmacist for K-Mart has a 'Will return in X minutes' sign for when she takes her lunch, has to go to the bathroom, etc. Will they let you do that?
I dunno, I will have to ask my supervisor! Thanks for the suggestion!
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^ they should do their best to make that work.

it's not forever, and it would be smart for them to accommodate you.
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