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Old 02-19-2010, 03:35 PM
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rocket has been slleping 6 hours at night for the lsat few nights then went to 8 hours for 2 nights in a row and my boobs are soaking my shirt and rock hard

will it adjust eventually? i love that he sleeps through the night but i'm also worried about my milk supply..will it diminish because he isn't eating as often at night? ACK!
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will it diminish because he isn't eating as often at night?
no it won't. mammary gland regression takes about 10 days, but you should not try to push your luck to the 10 day number.
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are you using a breast pump at night??

eta: you need to keep a regular schedule by either breastfeeding or by pumping to make sure that your breast don't get too full.
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are you using a breast pump at night??
how did you know i do that
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Old 02-19-2010, 03:45 PM
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^just a wild guess vik!!

eta: here is a link about breast engorgement:

Engorged Breasts! What can I do? - Got Breast Pump!
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personally, i would pump a bit to relieve engorgement or wake baby to nurse. your milk supply is being established the first 12 weeks or so and if you continue to get engorged without emptying some you might lose some of our supply. i wouldn't worry about it too much right now, but i wouldn't let this continue for more than a few days at a time.
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personally, i would pump a bit to relieve engorgement or wake baby to nurse. your milk supply is being established the first 12 weeks or so and if you continue to get engorged without emptying some you might lose some of our supply. i wouldn't worry about it too much right now, but i wouldn't let this continue for more than a few days at a time.
totally agree. milk production is all about supply and demand. your supply will regulate itself depending on your baby's nursing schedule. allowing yourself to stay engorged can not only diminish your supply over time, it can cause mastitis if allowed to carry on like that. best to relieve the discomfort either through nursing or pumping like cat said.
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Oh god my boobs never work with the pump! Arg. I hate waking him up when he's sleeping so well. I have no other choice huh
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have you tried hand expressing while taking a hot shower?
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lol look at vik all up in a breaefeeding thread.
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Oh god my boobs never work with the pump! Arg. I hate waking him up when he's sleeping so well. I have no other choice huh
It took me a long time to learn how to use the pump so that it worked. Are you sure you have it on correctly(sorry not trying to be rude)? It needs to be super tight to your breast so that there is no air leaking around it to work good

Besides if you pump it out now you will establish a storage if you freeze it and that storage is great to have later on when you want some time away from baby I always found it very hard to get enough to store because baby was always eating...

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totally agree. milk production is all about supply and demand. your supply will regulate itself depending on your baby's nursing schedule. allowing yourself to stay engorged can not only diminish your supply over time, it can cause mastitis if allowed to carry on like that. best to relieve the discomfort either through nursing or pumping like cat said.
so milk production can permanently decrease in response to not emptying?
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Cassie, are you using the right size breast attachment? Pumping (about 10 to 15 minutes once during the night) and using a warm moist towel will help you relieve some of the engorgement.


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so milk production can permanently decrease in response to not emptying?
Yep, like Shi pointed out, it's supply and demand. A negative feedback mechanism if you will. If it doesn't empty, the body thinks that more breast milk is not needed and thus the supply will diminish.
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Cassie, are you using the right size breast attachment? Pumping (about 10 to 15 minutes once during the night) and using a warm moist towel will help you relieve some of the engorgement.




Yep, like Shi pointed out, it's supply and demand. A negative feedback mechanism if you will. If it doesn't empty, the body thinks that more breast milk is not needed and thus the supply will diminish.
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so milk production can permanently decrease in response to not emptying?
absolutely. the body signals when baby isn't emptying the breast, so production slows/stops at that time.

you can rebuild it (again, supply and demand), but it takes work.

Cassie, i needed a bigger attachment the more children i had; it made a world of difference. the areola gets bigger every time (not necessarily breast-size), but the areola itself. the milk itself has a bit further to travel too after a few babies. it "sits" deeper inside.
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something else to think about...

if you go long stretches like that without emptying, you'll likely start ovulating/getting your period back sooner, which will also temporarily lower your supply around that time of the month.
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I've had long stretches like that with Addie at night too, and am also worried about lowered milk supply. Do did you guys set a clock to wake up and pump? I'm worried about pumping too, and then her deciding to wake up and eat & not having enough then for her to eat (does that make sense?)

So where do you get fenugreek (sp?) and what is the dosage to help with your milk supply? TIA!

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Anne, any natural food store (whole foods, etc.) will have fenugreek capsules. you have to take A LOT according to the lactation consultants (they generally say 3-4 pills, 3-4 times PER DAY). it's really up to you. when you smell like maple syrup, you're taking enough.

i always nursed on demand, and luckily i have never had a supply problem. i have awakened to pump (if baby is still sleeping), but my alarm is my super-full-feeling/leaking breasts.

shit, did i just say that? it's true though.
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i'm not sure, anne. i'm sure shi can answer you better. i never had that problem because devon woke up every 2-3 hours on her own... like right on the dot. it was crazy. lol the pump isn't as efficient as a nursing baby, so i doubt you will have to worry not having enough for her if she wants to nurse unless it's immediately after you've pumped. in that case, she might fuss a little because it will be a little harder to get milk out, but she'll still get some.
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Cassie, I had the same problem not being able to pump. It worked fine for me for about 4 months and then my boobs got de-sensitized or something. It was terrible. I also went a really REALLY long stretch without feeding ONCE at 6 months (like 19 hours) and my milk supply was never the same after that.
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absolutely. the body signals when baby isn't emptying the breast, so production slows/stops at that time.

you can rebuild it (again, supply and demand), but it takes work.
oh ok yes, that's where i was confused then. i thought what was being said was that milk producing tissue would permanently regress back to fat tissue in response to not emptying, the same way it would regress after a long period of not nursing.
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oh ok yes, that's where i was confused then. i thought what was being said was that milk producing tissue would permanently regress back to fat tissue in response to not emptying, the same way it would regress after a long period of not nursing.
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Anne, any natural food store (whole foods, etc.) will have fenugreek capsules. you have to take A LOT according to the lactation consultants (they generally say 3-4 pills, 3-4 times PER DAY). it's really up to you. when you smell like maple syrup, you're taking enough.

i always nursed on demand, and luckily i have never had a supply problem. i have awakened to pump (if baby is still sleeping), but my alarm is my super-full-feeling/leaking breasts.

shit, did i just say that? it's true though.
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i'm not sure, anne. i'm sure shi can answer you better. i never had that problem because devon woke up every 2-3 hours on her own... like right on the dot. it was crazy. lol the pump isn't as efficient as a nursing baby, so i doubt you will have to worry not having enough for her if she wants to nurse unless it's immediately after you've pumped. in that case, she might fuss a little because it will be a little harder to get milk out, but she'll still get some.
Thanks you guys I will have to try pumping in the middle of the night (grrr.) But I've traditionally had a problem with keeping up my supply with the last two, so maybe this will help. I've never been able to have a store of milk, and would love to rent a hospital pump just for a month to 1)get my supply up and 2) have plenty stored up in the fridge for hubby & bbsitters.

Shi, dumb (maybe obvious) question: When you say on demand, I take that to be when baby is rooting & wanting to eat....do you maybe mean everytime you feel let down? I feel that almost on the dot every 2.5-3 hours...but Addie almost always doesn't wake up for it. I have to change her diaper to get her to wake up. Whew. SORRY, didn't realize I had so many questions! You'd figure after 2 kids, I'd know more!
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^ it's not a dumb question at all.

for the first three months (approximately) your milk supply is establishing itself (i think cat said that earlier, because this sounds familiar as i'm typing it, lol).

anyway, if you're feeding Addie every 2.5-3 hours during the day, your milk will let down at that interval, even at night. it will do this until you're not feeding her or pumping at all during the night; this will be a while. quite frankly, you may find that she sleeps more now but starts to wake at night for feedings in a few weeks time. that's ok too, because you will still make enough milk to feed her. babies generally aren't that hungry in the middle of the night; it's more of a comfort thing...which is totally fine to accommodate at this early age. you cannot spoil her, nor can you form a habit at 3 weeks, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

it's up to you if you want to awaken her; i'm a member of the "never wake a sleeping baby" camp unless she's struggling with weight (she's NOT) or there is some other concern.

if you want to wake up and pump, i would do just enough to relieve the let-down feeling. that way, you will still produce milk in the middle of the night and you can store some.

i fed on a schedule for the most part, but if she's rooting at an off-time, i'd still nurse sometimes depending on how close it is to another feeding. babies root for no reason whatsoever sometimes. little stinkers.
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