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Phentermine???

Has anyone here or does anyone here know of anyone who has used it? What were the results like?

As much as I have been running and dieting I have NOT been dropping weight. Obesity runs in my family so I am beginning to worry that I won't be able to drop weight anymore and just gain!

My doctor just emailed me and told me that he would prescribe them to me but I am wondering if they really work....

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Has anyone here or does anyone here know of anyone who has used it? What were the results like?

As much as I have been running and dieting I have NOT been dropping weight. Obesity runs in my family so I am beginning to worry that I won't be able to drop weight anymore and just gain!

My doctor just emailed me and told me that he would prescribe them to me but I am wondering if they really work....

Thanks!
I would like to preface what I say by saying - I am not advising you to do or not do anything medically - that is a decision you need to make on your own, what I am writing is my opinion on how I would handle this were it me.

Phentermine - from what I know is usually reserved for obese patients, I mean more than a little chubby, or even slightly obese - my feeling is if a person is posting on a PD forum it is likely they are not as big as I recall the patients who took it. It's a short term solution to a long term problem. Moreover, it's an appetite suppressant - is appetite suppression the issue?

It carries all sorts of risks; it is a controlled substance. There are a myriad of contraindications and side effects anyone considering taking it should be made aware of by their doctor - further it is troubling to me that the interaction with the doctor is by email.

Before I took a controlled substance I would ask my doctor to investigate the underlying cause of what is (or is not) happening. I would do a food/activity journal and take it to an appointment, especially if I was already dieting & exercising.

Personally I am not a fan of treating symptoms (in a non life-threatening situation of course) when you don't know the underlying cause - but that is just my opinion.
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I would like to preface what I say by saying - I am not advising you to do or not do anything medically - that is a decision you need to make on your own, what I am writing is my opinion on how I would handle this were it me.

Phentermine - from what I know is usually reserved for obese patients, I mean more than a little chubby, or even slightly obese - my feeling is if a person is posting on a PD forum it is likely they are not as big as I recall the patients who took it. It's a short term solution to a long term problem. Moreover, it's an appetite suppressant - is appetite suppression the issue?

It carries all sorts of risks; it is a controlled substance. There are a myriad of contraindications and side effects anyone considering taking it should be made aware of by their doctor - further it is troubling to me that the interaction with the doctor is by email.

Before I took a controlled substance I would ask my doctor to investigate the underlying cause of what is (or is not) happening. I would do a food/activity journal and take it to an appointment, especially if I was already dieting & exercising.

Personally I am not a fan of treating symptoms (in a non life-threatening situation of course) when you don't know the underlying cause - but that is just my opinion.
I agree with everything here. Also, what kind of exercise/dieting have you been doing? Of course, calorie monitoring is going to be important as well as other activities in addition to running, say lifting weights that will increase your metabolism throughout the day.

As far as my experience with phentermine as a pharmacist....Truthfully, with the patients I have seen using this, some as long as a year....I don't seeing them dropping lots of weight. Maybe they are not following a good diet/exercise program along with it, but I just have not seen an additional weight loss using this to warrant risking the side effects.

This is just my opinion, though, and maybe someone on here has used it with great success that can provide you with a personal account. I hope you can find a healthy and safe plan that helps you achieve your goal.
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You will gain the weight back as soon as you stop taking it. I'd suggest doing it the old fashioned way.
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I don't have any experience with Phentermine but...just judging from the pics you've posted...you're not obese at all! If you feel like you can't drop weight at all you might want to have your doctor check hormone levels. Your thyroid could be acting up or even your ovaries (my friend was just diagnosed with PCOS and it caused her to gain a good amount of weight, especially around the belly area). if you have some underlying thing like that phentermine could mess you up even more. good luck!
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I keep a food journal, typically do not consume more than 1500 Calories of food. I eat 4-5 small meals a day, only eat lean proteins such as chicken and turkey and when I do eat pasta or breads I eat whole wheat. On the occasions that I do eat out I box half of my food right away so I am only eating a serving size. The other half either gets thrown away or my fiance eats it.... Rarely, like once every two weeks I drink soda...

As far as exercise I run about a mile and a half every other night followed by exercises with my resistance band and I do planks.

According to most charts I have read, with a large body frame (which I don't have) I am about 50 pounds over weight....

As for the emails with my doctor, he is my primary physician and with Kaiser doctors typically talk to you over the phone or email you....

I am not quite sure what I am doing wrong, as I feel I am in a good direction with my exercise and diet and I have been doing this for well over a month!

I'm just worried that I am getting older and like everyone on my dad's side of the family it's only fatty city from here!
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phen is a speedy little pill. you'll feel amped and the appitite goes down in most people. years ago when i worked at 24hr fitness as a trainer there were a couple of things that normally prevented those overweight from loss. 1: their eating habbits. 2: their thyroid 3: their workout. 1&2 are the real biggies. i remember one single mom who just couldn't lose weight, did everything right. i suggested she go to the doctor. she did. thyroid was slow. weeks after a visit to the pharmacy she was many pounds lighter. avoid the phen and figure out what's wrong in your lifestyle and address it. diet, hormones or workout most of the time are your reasons.
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Phentermine will make you feel like you are a crack head. My friend gave me one before and I couldn't eat at all. I also felt jittery and like I couldn't sit still.

I agree that once you stop taking the pill, you will gain the weight back because you haven't made any lifestyle changes. Definitely go to the doctor and get your thyroid checked.

Also, weight watchers gets great reviews.

I have never seen your pics so I have no idea your size but I hope you are seriously in need of weight loss and don't just "think" your overweight.
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^ I tried weight watchers... I was hungry ALL THE TIME. Most likely because my life revolved around food... How many point I could eat, How many points were in certain foods, etc...

I have a doctors appointment next week so i'll see what he says!
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Phentermine is old time SPEED. That is all it is. It has an appetite suppressant, but it is also an upper. I believe this was in Marilyn Monroe's system at her death.

Its been a diet drug since the 50's. Speeds up your heart rate like ephedrine. I would avoid like the plague.

EDIT: Remember Phen-Phen the diet drug taken off the market because people died? This is one of the "PHEN's." Not the one that caused the death's as it was taken off the market, but this isn't a safe drug either.
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^agreed. Don't take this shit, my friend. I used to try every single pill - nothing worked for me long term - I needed to learn how to change my lifestyle (which it DOES sound like you are doing). I would see your doctor to rule out thyroid and PCOS as well. Im not sure what your exercise regimen looks like but running 1.5 miles a few times a week simply cannot burn more than, say, 150-275 calories (dependent on weight) and speed running. Resistance bands are great, but lifting free weights is even better (IMO). But then again, your doc is your BEST resource. Don't feel too discouraged, there are always other avenues to take on your journey to be in a healthy body
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^ totally agree! great advise!

If you do have thyroid levels done be sure they are doing a "free T4", it's a more accurate test of thyroid hormone function than the old "total T4".
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I have to give the minority opinion here - phen was an awesome pill for me and I'll say again and again that it was worthwhile taking it. My short story is that I was a major athlete for many years and had a b*tchin' body if I do say so myself. I suffer from Dysmenorrhea though and have always been on strong BC and pain meds. After my basketball career ended and I wasn't working out 24/7 I gained some weight. Then I was put on some new medication and gained a lot of weight- around 30 lbs. I was miserable and I tried EVERYTHING. I dieted, I exercised, I got a personal trainer who kicked my *SS (I mean, running with parachutes, boot camp classes, mad cardio...), food diaries, everything. I did this for about two years until I finally had it with everything. Even my trainer was completely baffled as why I kept getting stronger but could not drop the weight really. At that point I was going to the gym for 2 hours a day, 5-6x a week. I was actually SCARED because I kept gaining and I thought there was no end in sight to the amount I would gain. It sounds so silly and vapid but to someone who enjoyed being physically fit and looking like an "athlete" it was devastating to suddenly have no control over how I looked.

I sat down with my doctor and told him everything, showed him everything I was doing and he suggested Adipex. I balked and didn't go for it at first but a month later I decided to do it and he called in the prescription for me. I dropped the weight in like 3 months. My doctor has since switched my dysmeno meds like 5x since then and I think I finally found the combo that doesn't make me gain/retain weight.

I'm not saying you should take Phen. Phen is not for everyone and yes, there are mad side effects (well for me, just at first). I was on it a short while and it did its job and I've been off it since '05 and haven't gained the weight back. BUT again, this is because I still watch what I eat, exercise and worked with my doctor to combat the meds that were making me gain weight. So what's my point? My point is that Phen isn't evil and it can be a fantastic kickstart for people with weight issues. But, as with any diet or weight plan, if you don't keep up with it afterwards (consistently exercise and watch what you eat) or correct the underlying issues (like a tyroid problem, stress, etc.) then it won't work. The research that I did on the pill showed it did not have consistent long term effects and was most effective when used for a short period of time. I think a lot of doctors just write out prescriptions for phen and haven't really worked out a "plan" for the patient.

I used it as a total last resort, all other options exhausted, treatment. My doctor has been my doctor since I was in high school so he knows me very well. I wouldn't just accept a prescription for phen over the phone. If you truly have exhausted all options then do some research on the med and have an in person discussion with your doctor to ensure that it really is the best course of action for you.
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Phentermine is old time SPEED. That is all it is. It has an appetite suppressant, but it is also an upper. I believe this was in Marilyn Monroe's system at her death.

Its been a diet drug since the 50's. Speeds up your heart rate like ephedrine. I would avoid like the plague.

EDIT: Remember Phen-Phen the diet drug taken off the market because people died? This is one of the "PHEN's." Not the one that caused the death's as it was taken off the market, but this isn't a safe drug either.
this is simply not true. phentermine can be taken safely if monitored by a specialized doctor. unfortunately it is highly over-prescribed and abused as a 'miracle drug'. in these circumstances, yes, it can increase blood pressure and heart rate. it may also result in heart palpatations and long term use may lead to cardic arrest.

nonetheless, i do agree with this and other posters who suggest alternatives. phentermine should really only be used by the truely overweight, often those who are so large that they actually need to lose weight before becoming a candidate for gastric bypass.
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did anyone else notice the fastin banner ad at the top of this page?

please, i hope that all of you are smarter than to buy pharmaceuticals online from these crock pharmacies / scam artists
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did anyone else notice the fastin banner ad at the top of this page?

please, i hope that all of you are smarter than to buy pharmaceuticals online from these crock pharmacies / scam artists
don't even get me started on the fakers and the drug market. as some of you can imagine, steroids and other weight loss/bodybuilding drugs are popular. when i was 19 some friends and i decided we were going to up our testosterone levels and this place in greece was selling just what we needed. long story short we shot cooking oil right into our legs. i still have a bump on my quads from that crap. unless you know the pharmacy that you are dealing with is legit, you could be getting anything. if you must use a speedy pill try hydroxycut, it's not nearly as strong but it doesn't have the potential problems that phen does. my first post is what should actually be done. if your hormones are okay and you excersise the only thing left is calories and protein/carb/fat ratios. what works best for you heavily depends on your body type. not everyone feels great on high protein {even though i sure do} back in the 60s and 70s higher carb diets were used just fine to drop the pounds. it all comes down to calories in and calories out. the workouts and frequent meals are use to keep your metabolism from slowing. this of course will happen if you don't move much and you starve yourself.
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^this is the best advice. There really is no quick way for long-term weight loss. I just need to work on the protein/carb/fat ratios because I am always high on the carbs and I find I drop the most when I up the protein to 40% carbs at 30% fat at 30%.
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A pill like phentermine i would not suggest unless you are having REAL problems...

First off i have a few questions for you:

1) how long have you been attempting to loose weight? By this question i am asking how long have you been consistently working out and keeping a good diet in order to loose some weight.

2) How many calories a day are you eating exactly? You said you are eating under 1500 calories a day however this can mean that you are only eating 600 calories a day.

3) Have you tried anything else besides running for exercize?

4) Do you know what your bodyfat percentage is?

I don't know what you look like but i will make a few suggestions that can help you out.

Ensure that you are eating...a lot of people say that calories in vs. calories out it the way to loose weight however i will disagree with this in a way. Yes, calories in vs. calories out is important, however what is more important is what foods you are eating. You can eat 1200 calories worth of jelly beans a day and gain weight, or you could eat 1700 calories of real good food a day
and loose weight. I have started eating 1700 calories a day and i am an active person and i have noticed weightloss.

If you aren't already, try adding free weights into your workout routine. I honestly hardly do a lot of running or "regular" cardio (i do things like car pulls, the stairmaster and rollerblading for cardio). I have started to lift heavy weights and trust me, you will loose fat and lean up! And don't worry, you will not get "big" by lifting weights. I am about 110lbs and i can deadlift 150lbs (working up to 200lbs). I am by no means big of scary, just kinda lean and muscular/athletic looking.

If you would like i can post up some good websites for you and you can look at my diet/meal plan in the road to getting fit thread
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I don't have any experience with Phentermine but...just judging from the pics you've posted...you're not obese at all! If you feel like you can't drop weight at all you might want to have your doctor check hormone levels. Your thyroid could be acting up or even your ovaries (my friend was just diagnosed with PCOS and it caused her to gain a good amount of weight, especially around the belly area). if you have some underlying thing like that phentermine could mess you up even more. good luck!
I agree thyroid! It can be a big problems for a lot of women, and a lot of the time you don't even know you have it.

But also, I've found that when I've been working out really hard, I tend to overeat, and probably just end up eating back all the calories I burn. The only way I've lost weight is to watch my diet very closely.

But please don't take anything until you've tried other avenues, and btw, you look so great in all of your pics.
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A pill like phentermine i would not suggest unless you are having REAL problems...

First off i have a few questions for you:

1) how long have you been attempting to loose weight? By this question i am asking how long have you been consistently working out and keeping a good diet in order to loose some weight.

2) How many calories a day are you eating exactly? You said you are eating under 1500 calories a day however this can mean that you are only eating 600 calories a day.

3) Have you tried anything else besides running for exercize?

4) Do you know what your bodyfat percentage is?
I have been attempting to lose weight for about a year now, different methods, such as weight watchers, have not worked for me. Currently I am running a mile and a half every other night. Afterwards I use my resistance band for arm exercises, I do a series of sit ups and leg lifts, followed by a plank. On my days off I try to jump rope, but, I used to run everynight and I realized that I was constantly hurt as I wasn't giving my body any down time.

I couldn't tell you exactly how many calories I am consuming, but I am pretty boring and eat the same thing almost everyday!
For Breakfast I eat a piece of 100% Whole Wheat Toast with a Little bit of peanut butter and about a cup of grapes. For Lunch I eat half of a Turkey Sandwich on Whole Wheat with Light Low Fat Mayo and Honey Mustard, NO CHEESE!, and for dinner usually a piece of chicken breast and a small baked potato with light low fat butter... For snacks in between meals it's usually grapes or an apple.

I had my Fat Percentage taken about 6 months ago and it was pretty bad. I was just at the doctors for another reason and they had a BMI chart on the wall and, well, I am obese....

Anyways, I appreciate everyone's advice and support!!! I have an appointment for August 7th to explore options with my doctor!!!
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I have been attempting to lose weight for about a year now, different methods, such as weight watchers, have not worked for me. Currently I am running a mile and a half every other night. Afterwards I use my resistance band for arm exercises, I do a series of sit ups and leg lifts, followed by a plank. On my days off I try to jump rope, but, I used to run everynight and I realized that I was constantly hurt as I wasn't giving my body any down time.

I couldn't tell you exactly how many calories I am consuming, but I am pretty boring and eat the same thing almost everyday!
For Breakfast I eat a piece of 100% Whole Wheat Toast with a Little bit of peanut butter and about a cup of grapes. For Lunch I eat half of a Turkey Sandwich on Whole Wheat with Light Low Fat Mayo and Honey Mustard, NO CHEESE!, and for dinner usually a piece of chicken breast and a small baked potato with light low fat butter... For snacks in between meals it's usually grapes or an apple.

I had my Fat Percentage taken about 6 months ago and it was pretty bad. I was just at the doctors for another reason and they had a BMI chart on the wall and, well, I am obese....

Anyways, I appreciate everyone's advice and support!!! I have an appointment for August 7th to explore options with my doctor!!!
It sounds like you are doing all the right things...have you seen any changes at all??

The ONLY thing i could think of suggesting is to try doing some weight training.

I agree with what other said here, it could be a thyroid problem...i have had a few friends that had these kinds of problems and their dr.s were able to help out.

My friend had the same complaint about weight watches...she was always hungry and never felt satisfied.

I know how frustrating this can be but hang in there, we are always around for advice!!!!
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this is simply not true. phentermine can be taken safely if monitored by a specialized doctor. unfortunately it is highly over-prescribed and abused as a 'miracle drug'. in these circumstances, yes, it can increase blood pressure and heart rate. it may also result in heart palpatations and long term use may lead to cardic arrest.

nonetheless, i do agree with this and other posters who suggest alternatives. phentermine should really only be used by the truely overweight, often those who are so large that they actually need to lose weight before becoming a candidate for gastric bypass.
That is your opinion. Anything that can cause heart palpitations and increase your blood pressure is not safe. Both of the following can cause a stroke even if you are otherwise perfectly healthy.

I took this shit for 2 years and I know what kind of damage it can do. Doctors prescribe it like it a fucking Skittle. I wasn't extremely overweight--only needed to lose 15 pounds, but I was borderline addicted to it. It is SPEED. Plain and simple.

We will have to agree to disagree here.
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so I remember you posted some librium logos (which looked awesome on you, btw) and you said that they give you a butt where you don't normally have one...a lack of butt is a characteristic of the apple shape (are you kinda straight up and down, with longish arms and legs?) which could mean there's something causing you to gain weight in the waist area...could be cortisol-related or even PCOS like my friend had (she's usually curvier but that extra weight went all to her belly and made her look like she had an apple shape)...so yeah, definitely go to the doc and have that looked at, because that could affect your ability to have kids later and it'll also sabotage your weight loss efforts (which sound pretty good to me btw)
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^ I am big everywhere, arms, legs, chest, face, and stomach... Luckily, black is slimming! It is my friend!

Ugh, it just gets so frustrating!
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Originally Posted by lawgal2002 View Post
That is your opinion. Anything that can cause heart palpitations and increase your blood pressure is not safe. Both of the following can cause a stroke even if you are otherwise perfectly healthy.

Yes, but so can OTC and commonly used sudafed......any medication or herbal product runs the risk of causing deadly side effects. You just have to be aware of the risks and benefits, decide what is right for you, and hopefully be monitored by a caring and well informed health care professional.
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