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Old 06-05-2008, 05:39 PM
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natural phytoestrogens?

Ok, question for the ladies who might have more experience in this area...

A friend of mine is on the pill and on top of it she's been taking these herbs--saw palmetto, fenugreek and one other i can't think of. She swears these have been making her boobs bigger because they have phytoestrogens in greater concentrations than you'd find in, say, soymilk.

I'm thinking she might be right because I've noticed the opposite effect--I've been cutting back on soy for fear that it was f'ing up my thyroid, and my boobs are a lot more deflated than they should be for my current weight. (I've lost a band size, from 34B to 32B, which means I've lost a corresponding cup size as well) On top of that, I was told that my irregular periods were caused by my not having enough estrogen in my body (I was DQed from participating in a med school study because of this...but whose cycle wouldn't be f'ed up from not being on the pill in a sorority house full of girls who are on it?).

So I'm wondering...if I try out some of these supplements, firstly will they not f me up too much, and then will they even out my cycles in addition to making my boobs bigger? If they do make my boobs bigger, will they make the rest of me bigger as well? (as some girls have complained on different types of BC) I'm a total n00b with all this because I've never been on the pill or any type of hormones (I probably should have been, considering my 10-day periods in middle/high school, but those were light enough that I wasn't really affected by it).

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Old 06-05-2008, 06:43 PM
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pianochica, haven't you also lost a lot of weight lately?
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:10 PM
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^^I lost about 35lbs between last June and last December-ish due to diet and exercise...though I had gained some of that weight quickly over the preceding school year, which could explain why it came off quickly. My weight has been stable, give or take 5lbs, for the past 6 months.
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Old 06-06-2008, 01:09 AM
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Obstet Gynecol. 2003 Jun;101(6):1345-9

Fugh-Berman A.
Department of Health Care Sciences, George Washington University School of Medicine, Washington, DC, USA.

"Bust enhancing" herbal products are widely advertised. No clinical trials have been published. These products contain a variety of ingredients, including grains, hops, saw palmetto, dong quai, chaste-tree berry, wild yam, kava, fennel, black cohosh, and fenugreek. Several of these herbs are hormonally active; for example, hops contain 8-prenylnaringenin, a phytoestrogen that is more potent than other dietary phytoestrogens. Many bust-enhancing dietary supplements contain substrates for Fusarium, a fungus that produces zearalenone, a potent estrogen that has been associated with breast enlargement in humans and other species. The use of bust-enhancing products should be discouraged because of lack of evidence for efficacy and long-term safety concerns.


The whole phytoestrogen field is pretty inconclusive, so there is no really good answer to your question
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:05 PM
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Yes, the rest of you gets bigger too.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:20 PM
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damn....I don't need supplements for that, my body is perfectly good at getting bigger on its own

a little TMI, but aunt flo showed up exactly a month to the day after my last one, and I'm living at home now...so my f'ed up cycles were prob caused more by living with 25 girls during the school year. lol
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