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Old 01-31-2009, 07:55 PM
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Treadmill vs Running Outside?

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So the camp I volunteer at is having a 10K May 3rd, and I'm tossing around the idea of training for 3 months and running it instead of just volunteering at it. Since the sidewalks and roads will be iced over here for another month at minimum, I'd have to train at the gym (I have a membership on campus) instead of running outside. So, do you guys find a difference in difficulty running on the road vs. running on a treadmill? I'm just wondering if I can train inside, then switch to running outside without an issue? This may be a stupid question, so thanks in advance for any input, guys!
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:07 PM
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I ran a half marathon and trained for part of it on the treadmill. I found that I couldn't run over 6 miles on the treadmill but I do know a couple of people that train fairly heavy on the treadmill for marathons. I think it will be OK for the month that you are talking about but get outside as soon as you can. My breathing and gait are completely different on an outside run. I prefer outside over the treadmill. Good luck and have fun!!
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:37 AM
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^ I agree. . Even though a treadmill can imitate outdoor terrain to a certain extent, it can't compensate for all weather conditions, textures of the ground, etc.

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Old 02-01-2009, 07:45 AM
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Thanks guys! It might be a bit ambitious to go from no running to a 10K in 3 months, but I think I might give it a shot! There's also an indoor running track at my gym, I just remembered, so maybe I'll switch back and forth between that and the treadmill.
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:57 AM
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Set the treadmill at a 1% or 2% incline and remember to add in "hills"...You can totally do it. Two years ago I had to work out at 4:30 am, so I did most of my running on a treadmil but was still fine running the same distances outside (i always had it set on an incline).
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If you can do the cross country function on your treadmill I think you'll be fine. It seems like there are two types of people--the one who can run outside/on the treadmill for long distances and the one who can do the elliptical for long distances...but not both. I'm definitely the latter, so hats off to you, lol!
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i've previously relied on a treadmill for offseason training and then switched to running on regular terrain, and was sucking wind bad. it's not the same for some reason .

it's fine for general fitness purposes, but if you are training for an outdoor race, not a good idea at all. but your thing just seems to be for fun, so im not sure it matters so much.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:34 PM
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I've done the same, Vik...I tend to be fine as long as I use an incline, include treadmill "hills", and go at a faster pace on the treadmill than I plan to outdoors. Often people have a hard time setting a pace when they run outdoors vs. treadmill and run a lot faster than is comfortable.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:34 PM
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for a 10K you should be fine running on a treadmill, especially if you are committing 3 months to train.

personally, i find running outside much, much, much easier simply because there is more to look at and the fresh air compared to inside a gym.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:38 PM
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Thanks for all the input, guys! I think I'm going to try the gym for the next month or so then decide whether or not I think I'll be able to train hard enough to register. If not, though, definitely next year. I need to get my butt into shape, and I've always wanted to be a runner... Couch to 5K here I come, haha!
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:58 PM
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I agree with most of the comments that outdoor running and treadmill running are different. Training outdoors will definitely benefit you, but since that isn't an option doing what Jessani said is great; set the treadmill on an incline off and on and do intervals.

Another thing to consider, most treadmills (ok, all of them) are "padded" on the running bed to give a little "cushion" to the pounding of your run. I have always found that after running on a treadmill for an extended period of time (weeks due to stupid snow) that then going outside hurts more; hurts my back and joints more than on a treadmill. Just something to keep in mind.

One BENEFIT to treadmill running is you are in control of the pace more. Outdoors it's easy to slow and not realize it; not so on a treadmill.

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Old 02-01-2009, 04:05 PM
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If you can run 30min, then you can run 45min..and if you can run 45min, what's another 15min or so...?

Pavement is a lot harder on your joints than a treadmill surface and running downhill can cause shin splints if you haven't trained for it, so it would help a lot if you can find out what route entails.

Historically, weather in the beginning of May is all over the place..between maybe 0C to 25C since 2001, so it's fine to start with indoor training for now but some outdoor conditioning closer to the run would help you too. Make sure you fit in some core training - I found that my back hurt a lot for longer runs before I worked on my abs and back.
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Hey,

I like running on tredmills better, because I can watch my time and distance, and it somewhat forces me to not stop running. I feel like a quitter if I said I was gonna for for an hour non stop and the clock is at 51 minutes, it forces me to do that extra time.

When and where is this race. Maybe you can PM me the details. Maybe I will come out and run.

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Old 02-12-2009, 08:58 PM
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^PM'd you.

I decided to do it! My co-counsellors peer pressured me into it, haha. This week I've hit the gym twice so far and I did 4 and 5K, so I think I'll be in good shape if I stick to a training plan. I'll try to mix it up and do some outdoor training as soon as the weather gets nicer. Thanks for all the ideas!

Oh, and Shana, apparently it is sort of downhill, but no serious incline - it's 10K down Yonge St, and they actually call it the easiest 10K in Canada! Hopefully that's true! I'll definitely add in some core, though, thanks!
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:06 PM
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^ I've run down Yonge Street a few times - for Sporting Life 10K and also Toronto Half-Marathons.

10K I would say is easy because the race end when the downhill part ends. There are a couple of hills, but nothing crazy. If you can already do 5K, you'll be fine as long as you can even hit 7.5K before the run, because the race-day adrenaline + downhill effect will help a lot.
It's also easier to keep going toward the finish line because there's usually a good crowd cheering you on.

Which run is this? Sporting Life?

ETA: I used Google. :P
It's a bit deceiving how little of the entry fee goes toward the charities. I think it's something like $2.
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:18 PM
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I'm tempted to sign up now...

It's a nice course, you get to pass lots of shops and restaurants that you might otherwise not know of.
The last part is flat, so it's a tiny bit harder then.
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AF MEETUP AT THE 10k RUN
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Yeah, it's the Sporting Life 10K for Camp Oochigeas. Only $1 of the entrance fee goes to the camp, but 100% of the money fundraised goes to them. If you set up a fundraising page through Camp Oochigeas - Home Page and raise $250, the camp will even pay your entrance fee, which is awesome. I'm definitely going to be hitting up everyone I know to fundraise, but I may pay my own entrance fee anyway. Last year only 2% of the runners fundraised, so if you know anyone else who might want to run, let them know!!

LOL about the AF meetup.
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I cant find the pricing? I checked the website, maybe I am not looking hard enough.

Also, why are they making you pay to run? Sorry, I have never done one of these runs before.
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^It's part of the Canadian Running Series, which I guess is sort of a big deal, I don't know. Here's the website for the series and to sign up, and it links to the fundraising page too: Registration - Sporting Life 10k
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Probably because they close down Yonge Street for a few hours, have police and security, port-o-lets and water along the route, food at the end, give out Karbon shirts and other stuff with your race packet, etc etc.
Even though there's a lot of volunteer help, I'm sure this kind of event requires a lot of event coordination and random expenses that I can't think of.

Early bird was $40. Right now it's $50, price goes up to $60 if you register on the day of. I guess it's okay. I have paid more + fundraised for the half!

ETA: I also want to recommend that you firm up transportation plans to the event.
I was traveling from downtown and the instructions say to take the TTC bus up Yonge since Sunday subway doesn't start until 9am, BUT because the street is closed for the race, the bus that I took only went up to Davenport. I got off at Bloor and asked some random girls wearing the race tee to share a cab, and it cost maybe $12-15 to reach the start line. Stupid ttc!
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Sorry for the necropost, but I just recently read a number of articles about that very question. For a quick answer, this link can help you out:

How Running on Treadmills Creates Shin Splints | Running, Treadmill, incline | FitSugar - Fitness, Health & Well-being
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Thanks, I'll take a look at it! I think I need to get new shoes... I've been training in Nike Shox and my knees have been killing me... and I hear that's one of the problems with shox!
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So are a bunch of AFers actually doing this?
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for a 10K you should be fine running on a treadmill, especially if you are committing 3 months to train.

personally, i find running outside much, much, much easier simply because there is more to look at and the fresh air compared to inside a gym.
I agree with this. I find running on a treadmill or any of those machines mind-numbingly boring, so much so that 10 minutes on one is agony.

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Thanks, I'll take a look at it! I think I need to get new shoes... I've been training in Nike Shox and my knees have been killing me... and I hear that's one of the problems with shox!
Fuck yeah... lose that shit right away. You poor woman, you must be in pain.

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