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Old 10-30-2009, 11:40 AM
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Has anyone heard of this? Its called Vitamin B-Complex 100 Injection..not the dissolve injection.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:18 PM
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Oh do you mean the lipoB shot?
If so then yes we give them. Its a vitamin B complex mixed with AMP for injection. What it does is help you burn energy at a cellular level and helps target old fat stores in the body. You don't really lose weight but you will lose inches everywhere if you exercise with it. Basically its an aid to working out. It makes workouts 100 times easier and you have tons of energy but not the jittery kind. It doesnt effect the nervous system and its pretty healthy and safe. This is something the body already naturally produces and in the end it helps your metabolism stablize. Sorry I didnt see this sooner. I thought you meant the actual LIPO shot.
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Oh do you mean the lipoB shot?
If so then yes we give them. Its a vitamin B complex mixed with AMP for injection. What it does is help you burn energy at a cellular level and helps target old fat stores in the body. You don't really lose weight but you will lose inches everywhere if you exercise with it. Basically its an aid to working out. It makes workouts 100 times easier and you have tons of energy but not the jittery kind. It doesnt effect the nervous system and its pretty healthy and safe. This is something the body already naturally produces and in the end it helps your metabolism stablize. Sorry I didnt see this sooner. I thought you meant the actual LIPO shot.
Thanks Charla! I actually got one this past Monday but it didnt give me much energy.I'm going to try them every week for a month to see how it goes.I was charged $15 for it.Does that sound about right?
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Oh do you mean the lipoB shot?
If so then yes we give them. Its a vitamin B complex mixed with AMP for injection. What it does is help you burn energy at a cellular level and helps target old fat stores in the body. You don't really lose weight but you will lose inches everywhere if you exercise with it. Basically its an aid to working out. It makes workouts 100 times easier and you have tons of energy but not the jittery kind. It doesnt effect the nervous system and its pretty healthy and safe. This is something the body already naturally produces and in the end it helps your metabolism stablize. Sorry I didnt see this sooner. I thought you meant the actual LIPO shot.
Are these the manufacturer's claims?
Do they have any research to back this up?

It sounds great. In my experience, no supplement with the B complex literally gives you energy; it's the other stuff that they put in. Either caffeine or the alkaloid ephedrine.
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:12 PM
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Thanks Charla! I actually got one this past Monday but it didnt give me much energy.I'm going to try them every week for a month to see how it goes.I was charged $15 for it.Does that sound about right?
We actually charge $25 dollars for it. $15 seems a little low unless they have their own lab. Lab fees are expensive to compound this stuff.Make sure you are actually getting AMP and not just B-12? One shot actually won't do you good. You need what is called the loading phase where you get three shots in 10 days and 2 in the next 10 days to get the AMP levels up in your body and to really feel it. You wont feel the energy like you would a diet pill. Its at a cellular level and you will only feel it during exercise.
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Are these the manufacturer's claims?
Do they have any research to back this up?

It sounds great. In my experience, no supplement with the B complex literally gives you energy; it's the other stuff that they put in. Either caffeine or the alkaloid ephedrine.
You should do the research about what I posted. This is compounded at a compounding pharmacy by a biochemist who I used to work directly with. I am not getting this from some manufacturer. This shot has NO caffeine or ephedrine and the energy is on the cellular level.
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I do research daily. I also question research, it's part of my job.
That's fine to question it. I was saying that you obviously didnt read what I wrote the first time b/c i stated that it doesn't give you nervous energy like a diet pill would. A lot of people are nervous about these injections and would be crazy to NOT research it first before having them done. You never know what could be in them.
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That's fine to question it. I was saying that you obviously didnt read what I wrote the first time b/c i stated that it doesn't give you nervous energy like a diet pill would. A lot of people are nervous about these injections and would be crazy to NOT research it first before having them done. You never know what could be in them.
You're probably right and I apologize if I didn't.

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Oh do you mean the lipoB shot?
If so then yes we give them. Its a vitamin B complex mixed with AMP for injection. What it does is help you burn energy at a cellular level and helps target old fat stores in the body.
The reason I asked if these are the manufacturer's claims is that what I put in bold is a pretty serious claim and I think that it requires pretty serious evidence.
There are two reactions that occur at the cellular level and require B12 as a coenzyme. One occurs in the cytoplasm and one in mitochondria. To this day there are no benefits noted from an excessive intake in healthy individuals.
I may be wrong though that's why it's kinda cool to see a long term study in which (healthy) subjects benefit from supplementation.

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You don't really lose weight but you will lose inches everywhere if you exercise with it. Basically its an aid to working out. It makes workouts 100 times easier and you have tons of energy but not the jittery kind. It doesnt effect the nervous system and its pretty healthy and safe.
Again, if these are the claims... this is another one that needs to be questioned.

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This is something the body already naturally produces and in the end it helps your metabolism stablize. Sorry I didnt see this sooner. I thought you meant the actual LIPO shot.
Actually, Vit. B12 is provided only by animal products. Or by supplementation Vitamin B12 in plants it's present probably due to contamination (animal poop, anyone?).
Also, there's nothing out there that stabilizes the metabolism. As a matter of fact, that's pretty tough to measure on the individual basis.
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This is interesting to me.. where would one go to even get this done? Im curious what we have available around here now
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You're probably right and I apologize if I didn't.


The reason I asked if these are the manufacturer's claims is that what I put in bold is a pretty serious claim and I think that it requires pretty serious evidence.
There are two reactions that occur at the cellular level and require B12 as a coenzyme. One occurs in the cytoplasm and one in mitochondria. To this day there are no benefits noted from an excessive intake in healthy individuals.
I may be wrong though that's why it's kinda cool to see a long term study in which (healthy) subjects benefit from supplementation.


Again, if these are the claims... this is another one that needs to be questioned.


Actually, Vit. B12 is provided only by animal products. Or by supplementation Vitamin B12 in plants it's present probably due to contamination (animal poop, anyone?).
Also, there's nothing out there that stabilizes the metabolism. As a matter of fact, that's pretty tough to measure on the individual basis.
Clearly I am not a scientist and cannot answer all of your questions. I have stated all that I know and have taken these shots myself with no bad reactions. If you want all of these answered feel free to call Professional Arts Pharmacy in Lafayette, Louisiana. B vitamin is not the factor that is causing the inch loss. Its the cyclic AMP that is doing it.
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This is interesting to me.. where would one go to even get this done? Im curious what we have available around here now
Google AMP for weight loss and I am sure you can find a place near you that is doing this.
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Clearly I am not a scientist and cannot answer all of your questions. I have stated all that I know and have taken these shots myself with no bad reactions. If you want all of these answered feel free to call Professional Arts Pharmacy in Lafayette, Louisiana. B vitamin is not the factor that is causing the inch loss. Its the cyclic AMP that is doing it.
Thanks! I will probably do that 'cause I'm really curious by nature.

What does (cyclic) AMP stand for?

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Cyclic adenosine monophosphate? But this is synthesized in the cell from ATP (adenosine triphosphate) if that's the case, why and how would someone produce this ....
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Thanks! I will probably do that 'cause I'm really curious by nature.

What does (cyclic) AMP stand for?

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Cyclic adenosine monophosphate?
yes. intracellular second messenger.
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yes. intracellular second messenger.
Sorry, I did edit my post...
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can be produced synthetically A6885 Adenosine 3′,5′-cyclic monophosphate sodium salt monohydrate cAMP-Na ≥98.0% (HPLC), powder
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Ok... "The cAMP/PKA signaling pathway has been shown to inhibit cell proliferation, induce differentiation and lead to apoptosis." How does proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis lead to weight loss? And IF it does (it may be) what happens in the long run when the individual does not receive the synthetically produced cAMP?

It's naturally and absolutely normally occurring, for Christ's sake. Why would anyone take this (and I'm talking about a healthy individuals, with no bizarre genetic issues) if it's produced by each cell with no effort whatsoever?
And what leads to all those claims?... Ok. I'm done asking so many questions. People can do whatever they please with their money.

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Ok... "The cAMP/PKA signaling pathway has been shown to inhibit cell proliferation, induce differentiation and lead to apoptosis."

It's naturally and absolutely normally occurring, for Christ's sake. Why would anyone take this (and I'm talking about a healthy individuals, with no bizarre genetic issues) if it's produced by each cell with no effort whatsoever?
And what leads to all those claims?... Ok. I'm done asking so many questions. People can do whatever they please with their money.

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cAMP signaling is involved in many intracellular pathways. you found it written somewhere that it is involved in inhibition of cell proliferation, but i could also show you that it's involved in cell survival and migration, depending on the context. modulating cAMP amounts and activity is under research for many diseases, both as a target and as a therapy.

i don't know why they would use cAMP in the injection. it can be converted to AMP, which is a precursor for ATP. seems logical, but i don't know if that is the reason or whether there are stability reasons for using cAMP as opposed to AMP.

i don't know much about this particular injection, but your question as to why would anyone supplement with something the body produces naturally can be answered by considering other supplements, such as creatine. creatine is produced by the body, yet its supplementation has been shown by many studies to be beneficial during exercise and athletic training.
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cAMP signaling is involved in many intracellular pathways. you found it written somewhere that it is involved in inhibition of cell proliferation, but i could also show you that it's involved in cell survival and migration, depending on the context. modulating cAMP amounts and activity is under research for many diseases, both as a target and as a therapy.
Yes, I know this but... don't you think that from inhibition of cell proliferation, cell survival, and cell migration to the weight loss claims? Isn't this a little outrageous?


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i don't know why they would use cAMP in the injection. it can be converted to AMP, which is a precursor for ATP. seems logical, but i don't know if that is the reason or whether there are stability reasons for using cAMP as opposed to AMP.

i don't know much about this particular injection, but your question as to why would anyone supplement with something the body produces naturally can be answered by considering other supplements, such as creatine. creatine is produced by the body, yet its supplementation has been shown by many studies to be beneficial during exercise and athletic training.
So? They thought leptin is the answer and here they are seeing that obese/overweight individuals present leptin resistance which is similar to insulin resistance.

Creatine is another story, I will get into it at some other time. One argument at a time.
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where did you find it written that those three things are responsible for weight loss? i just assumed you pulled it from wikipedia of cAMP or something.

i'm not sure where leptin comes in? even if leptin resistance presents problems for leptin therapy, that doesn't mean that other compounds should be written off. whether cAMP/AMP or whatever is in question is actually beneficial for weight loss is a different question that i don't know the answer to.

creatine monohydrate has been repeatedly shown to have performance benefits. many people have differing opinions about it's practical benefit, but i am going by the consensus in the literature.
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where did you find it written that those three things are responsible for weight loss? i just assumed you pulled it from wikipedia of cAMP or something.
I don't usually use wikipedia.
You misunderstood me. I copied the uses of cAMP from the company's website that you linked me to (I don't think anyone would be interested in reading a long list of where in the cell/body cAMP occurs ). Well, I didn't personally make the connection... this lipo-thing shot apparently contains cAMP and the manufacturer (Professional Arts Pharmacy in Lafayette, Louisiana) makes the energy-workout-weight loss connection.

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i'm not sure where leptin comes in? even if leptin resistance presents problems for leptin therapy, that doesn't mean that other compounds should be written off. whether cAMP/AMP or whatever is in question is actually beneficial for weight loss is a different question that i don't know the answer to.
I brought up leptin because it's a pretty damn good example of what people thought is the miracle that can save us from the obesity epidemic. I'm not writing off anything, I just ask for scientific evidence and long-term studies.
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Here I was, thinking that people were getting a crushed-up-b-vitamin complex pill mixed with an energy drink injected into 'em.
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Is injection necessary for this b12 to work on the cellular level? I read that cAMP is synthesized from ADP? what does that mean? safe and natural?

What is the difference between injecting and taking b12 orally?

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I'm thinking about starting this. You get some sort of the b12 injection AND prescription appetite suppressants. One of my friends did this, along with strict diet and exercise, and she lost about 40 pounds in around 4-5 months. She really liked it. Once she stopped taking it, she kept the weight off for a long time by sticking to the same diet plan and exercising more! So I'm excited about it. I'm obviously going to do more research though before I put something into my body.
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Is this the same thing/same idea?

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