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Old 09-07-2008, 08:15 PM
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Whey Protein Questions

I did a search and found one thread about this but it didn't really answer my questions so I started another one.

It is OK to drink 2 Whey protein drinks a day? I have been drinking a Whey Isolate (IsoNatural) right after my workouts. I also just ordered this to try post work out. Bodybuilding.com - Syntrax Nectar - Best Tasting Protein! On sale now! I then drink a Whey Protein Mix later in the evening. I read that the mix is better for night because it lasts longer in your body than the isolate does.

I also bought this to drink pre workout. Bodybuilding.com - Labrada Super Charge Xtreme N.O. - With Beta Alanine! On sale now!

I am eating protein bars (19 gram protein, 2 gram carbs, 0 sugar). I don't have one every day though. I just want to make sure that I am not using to many supplements to get my protein.

I am also trying to eat high protein food, such as eggs, chicken, turkey and tuna.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:17 PM
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how many grams of protein are you trying to get in a day?
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I would find a different protein...about 25% of the population is allergic/intolerant to milk protein (different from a lactose intolerance) whether or not they know it. We're not baby cows, so it's no surprise that we tend to have problems digesting their milk!

If I ingest some dairy, it becomes very obvious...I get spaced out, stuffy (like I have a cold), my ears are red, I get zits, my allergic shiners get worse, and forget about any weight loss. It's just bad in general. Unfortunately, many people with milk protein allergies react the same way to wheat gluten (again, different from celiac disease), and I suspect I might have that since my shiners haven't gone away completely.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:39 PM
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I am drinking 2 shakes a day most of the time. On the days I lift I drink 1 shake approx 1 hour prior to lifting. Then I drink another shake at night about an hour before I go to sleep - or when I start feeling hungry after dinner (usually about 3 - 4 hours after)

I take this one every day at about the same time (prior to my work out on the days I work out):

Bodybuilding.com - Optimum 100% Whey Protein - With Faster-Acting HYDROWHEY! On sale now!

This is what I take at night:

Bodybuilding.com - CNP Professional ProPeptide - Advanced Protein Supplement! On sale now!

The night time shake is heavier then the day time shake and it keeps my body feeling full for a longer time.

This is what my personal trainer has me taking. He recommend this based on my work out 1 hour mon, wed, fri of lifting, running/hiking 1 hour 2 - 3 times per week.
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I am trying to get at least 1 gram of protein/pound. I weight around 106 and have been eating around 110-130 grams a day.

Thanks treasurehoard! I looked at the optimum whey, I think I will get that next. Is it better to take the whey before the workout? I have been taking mine after.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:04 AM
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I take mine prior to working out. That's how my trainer directed me. I lift at 3 PM 3 days a week though so it might just be because I would normally eat lunch around 12 and then be ready for a snack around 2~ so the shake is my snack. I am not sure ... someone else here probably knows better then I do on this.
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It's good to see people buying off of BodyBuilding because they are going to have the best deals. Its okay to have multiple protein shakes a day, especially if you're trying to bulk up. Althought you only need to consume about as much protein a day as you weigh.
ex: weight 105 lbs, protein 105 grams.

I noticed Keesha had the pre-workout with Beta Alanine in it which I must note is a very effective ingredient for muscle building. Another good pre workout formula is Purple Wraath by Controlled Labs. Of course it's also very expensive. As long as you stick to a high protein / high carb diet you WILL get bigger. As I assume you are trying to do.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:51 AM
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BB.com has excellent customer service and really fast shipping, but the deals are not the cheapest out there...although i've heard they do price matching if you call them.

i agree with all of the above. one gram of protein per lb of body weight is sufficient..i wouldn't worry about how many shakes or protein bars you consume in a day. so long as your diet doesn't depend on them. sounds like you are doing it right. i usually start my day with some oatmeal and a shake. i also have one right after my trip to the gym. i think both are a must.
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IS eating that much protein in a day going to make me bulk up? I want lean muscle with definition not bulk.

Thanks everyone for your help.
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I take 1-2 a day, depending on how my diet was for the day. I notice that when I eat well my performance is better, regardless of the supplements I take. I also take Omega 369, Vit D, C & E. Not sure if these do anything but I take them anyway.
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IS eating that much protein in a day going to make me bulk up? I want lean muscle with definition not bulk.

Thanks everyone for your help.
I am pretty sure that you are a girl so i will say this: Unless you are taking steroids, eating a high protein diet and lifting weights will not cause you to bulk up. It will however cause to to gain muscle and lower your bodyfat percentage. Honestly, i used to think the same thing and now i am in the gym 6 days a week, have put on a ton of muscle, i lift heavy (i can flip a 400lbs tire, i deadlifted 200lbs for the first time the other week) and eat a lot and my clothing is actually loose on me. I am about 115lbs give or take a few and may possibly be down to 15% bodyfat (i wear a size 25/26). Gaining muscle will give you shape and will cause you to become lean and not bulky. So keep on doing what you are doing.

In regards to the whey protein question i personally shy away from whey protein because i think i may have an allergy to it (like what pianochica said). I also stay away (far far away) from anything with soy in it. No soy milk, no soy protein, no soy beans. Recently i started to have pea protein and i am finding it works great. It isn't the best tasting stuff but it does what it is supposed to do and is a lot cheaper then all of this other stuff on the market. Best part is that it doesn't have any dairy soy or eggs.

As for supplements I take 2.5g of yohimbe HCL a day, beta-alanine (getting it from all of these pre-workout samples i got at a fitness/bodybuilding expo), calcium, vitamine C, a ton of fishoils (i take about 30 of them a day plus about 10 cod liver oil pills a day). On my workout days i will take some creatine to help with recovery.

Timing is also important for protein and carbs as i said before in the other post. I will have some protein 30 minutes before i workout along with my other supplements (pre-workout supplements...don't know what i am going to do when i run out of these samples!) and i ALWAYS have a post workout shake in my bag waiting for me that consists of hydorlized whey protein isolate (this is the only time i eat anything "dairy") along with some waxy maize ( a fast digesting carbohydrate to replenish myself).

Keep on doing what you are doing because you are on the right track!!!
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:24 AM
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i take a pure ISO 100 protein shake in the morning and one in the evening post workout. On cardio days, i take the protein shake as an afternoon snack and one post workout. I know i am not getting 1 gram per lb. of bodyweight. I am averaging about 140-150 grams of protein daily.

The ISO 100 is very clean and very pure. It will disolve clear, if you let it sit. Other whey proteins tended to leave me feeling bloated and gassy. The ISO 100 doesn't taste all that bad, but does not bloat or "gas", so i highly recommend this one!.
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protein----><----gas

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I am trying to get at least 1 gram of protein/pound. I weight around 106 and have been eating around 110-130 grams a day.
What kind of workouts do you do?

110 is waaay too much protein for you. Recommendations vary but 0.4-0.5 per lb should be enough.
Your body is going to use some of it and the rest is going to be excreted, you just end up stressing your kidneys.
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^^ if you are doing any strength training ... etc. it is reccomened to get 1g of protein for each lb of wieght.

i think 130 grams is too much for (since you're 106) but if it's working for you ... keep it up!

ps ... linds .. where do you find this pea protein? .. i try to stay away from soy also.
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I was reading a while ago (I'll post the source if I find it) that recent research indicates even the bodybuilders should not exceed 20-25% of the daily intake.

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research on health and fitness is varied. they seem to have studies that can prove or disprove nearly anything. 1 g per lb of body weight isn't that much...especially if you are barely over 100 lbs. was this a recent study?? if you find the link, i'd like to read it....less protein=less $$ but, it's very commonly written and accepted that if you are weight training...1g per lb is the least you need to take in to supply your muscles with the needed protein to grow and become stronger.
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I will post it.
You're right. It's crazy how many numbers and percentages I have seen.

People tend to disregard the protein from the daily intake of food and count only the amount from the shakes. If you do the math, I'm assuming is well over 1 g/lb body weight. I personally would not encourage anybody to take supplements unless they're "professional" athletes.
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IS eating that much protein in a day going to make me bulk up? I want lean muscle with definition not bulk.

Thanks everyone for your help.
If you want to be "lean" then keep to cardio. Lifting weights and eating protein won't do anything as far as definition and cuts go. You need high-intensity cardio workouts. Running for about 3 miles everyday is a perfect example of high-intensity cardio (Note that I said running, not jogging).

If you go to the gym the best cardio IMO is the bike machine. If you keep it on a program with high resistance that thing will murder your legs. Avoid the Stair Master or Elliptical because they take a toll on your knees. Also, make sure you're taking an Omega supplement such as Fish Oil or Flaxseed, this will keep your fats balanced.
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Thanks!

I agree with you on the supplement issue. most are totally unnecessary on a good diet(imo). most are not fda approved..who knows what is in them. Some I think are ok. Protein is one of them...as a supplement...not a replacement. Food is good for you
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My plan is to build a little bit of muscle then do more cardio to melt awway that layer of fat covering them.

Oh and Jesse, my protein powder does not give me gas.
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Thanks!

I agree with you on the supplement issue. most are totally unnecessary on a good diet(imo). most are not fda approved..who knows what is in them. Some I think are ok. Protein is one of them...as a supplement...not a replacement. Food is good for you
I can't seem to find it...
I did find it mentioned on Joanne Larsen's website: Ask the Dietitian
Here are her credentials:About - Ask the Dietitian - by Joanne Larsen MS RD LD

And here's the info that I found, it seems that the protein topic is fairly popular.
Protein - Ask the Dietitian - by Joanne Larsen MS RD LD

Listen to the dietitian!
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Aluhall, I've read that too, from a lot of different sources. Excess of 100g/day for most women just means you're producing stress on your kidneys and expensive pee.
I know that a lot of the research on the negative effects of high protein diets is by people who support veggie/vegan diest though,so IDK if there is a bias.
Whey protein does not make my body happy, btw.
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Hi Jess,
I actually didn't know about the bias from the people who support vega/vegetarian diets although it does make sense. But I do know there's actually a sound scientific explanation behind the high protein diets-unhappy kidneys thing. I'd love to briefly go over it if anybody wants it.
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Thanks!

I agree with you on the supplement issue. most are totally unnecessary on a good diet(imo). most are not fda approved..who knows what is in them. Some I think are ok. Protein is one of them...as a supplement...not a replacement. Food is good for you
The only supplements i take are herbal ones that i buy in powdered form. I started to take coral calcium because i cut dairy out of my diet and since i don't know my family medical history i felt it was a good move to get it. And of course you NEED your omega 3 fish oils...i swear i am going to turn into a cod one of these days.

Green tea is also good to have as a thermogenic. I drink green tea all day every day along with a bit of ginger in the AM before my pre-breakfast cardio. And i don't run, i actually walk my dogs (one of them...i have 3 right now and we rotate who gets to walk in the AM). Most people say walking a dog isn't a good workout but with two of them i literally have to run to keep up. I also do kendo an iado twice a week and when we start getting into some of the footwork drills in kendo...man that is hard! But most important for fat burning is the pre-breakfast cardio along with a few thermogenics before hand.

And building muscle will also help you loose bodyfat. I've tried the whole cardio routine and i got smaller but not leaner. Now that i have started a very strict weight training regime with heavy weights i have become more lean and toned. When i get my BF% down to my goal i will take a pic for everyone to see.

With regards to the protein, if you are lifting weights then it is important to consume a large amount of protein in order to rebuild the muscle. The problem isn't how much protein but the quality and source of the protein. Sure if you are just eating 130g of protein from regular ribeye steaks on a daily basis you bet you are going to have problems. But if you are getting your protein from fish (like salmon or orange roughy) or organic grass fed beef as well as veggie/grain proteins (like pea and hemp protein) you should be fine.

If you are working your body hard you need to feed it or else you will not see results.
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