Hi-- I'm new to Diesel, having only recently acquired my first pair of Zatinys, which has quickly become my favorite pair. Since then, I've been looking at what other Diesel cuts I would like by browsing the jjdenim site, then I came across the Zaghor -- particularly the 8LE wash that has some AWESOME fading and whiskering.

My question is how much wider in the leg err... I really mean the thigh, not the leg opening.... is the Zaghor vs the Zatiny? The Zaghor is listed under the "Relaxed Fit" models, but in general, how "relaxed" is it really?

Also, is the 8LE a generally desirable wash, or is it just me that liked the way it looks so much?

Yeah, you will notice the difference between a relaxed fit of a Zaghor and the slim fit of a Zatiny. The biggest drawback of the 8LE is that it has an 18% poly content, which may or may not be to your liking.

Also, don' t pay even close to full retail on 8LE as it can often be found on clearance or on eBay.

Thanks for the heads-up.... I'll keep an eye on eBay for one..... I did some searches on the forum for fit, and found some suggestions about sizing down one for the Zaghor -- does that include the 8LE wash? What does the 18% poly content mean in terms of fit, feel or any other variable? In other words, why might I not like that?

Sorry if these are stupid questions....

When searching the forum, I was looking for member pics wearing Zaghor, but had limited results, so I looked around in online stores and found this:

DIESEL Zaghor in 8LH at Revolve Clothing - Free Shipping!

I don't know about anyone else's opinion, but those look like a train wreck -- just awful looking... Is that really a better representation of how these look than the ones here?

Diesel ZAGHOR 8LE at JJ Denim - Free Shipping!

Yeah, but those ones in the first link are 8LH, not 8LE. And if you pay that much for 8LE (on JJDenim's site), you are not a very good shopper.

Oh, no, I wouldn't buy them there. I don't know about being a "good shopper", but I sure as hell am cheap!

I was just looking at the cut and how they fit generally speaking....

So... should I size down one on 8LE's?

What size waist are you? 36+, No, under that, I dunno. I think there was a thread or two regarding fit.

I know what you mean. I love the 8LE as well.... just wish I could find it in something other than Zaghor..

I own a Zaghor and a Zatiny. Zaghor is more like lounge around the house jeans for me. They are too relaxed to be worn out if you plan to look sharp like the Zatiny.

My take on the fit. DO not size down too much on the waist. I am a 32W x 34L, and I my Zaghor is 32W.... fits true to size. I have tried the 8LE.... it was more like a 33W. So you have to be careful.

Length is another matter. IMO, Zaghors ran about 2 inches longer than stated size. I tend to fit in 32x32 Zaghors, and 32x34 everything else.

Hope this helps.