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01-16-2007, 11:18 PM
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| | | Dog Whisperer? Ok...not sure if he qualifies for a "celebrity"...but I was watching his show tonight & he was wearing Seven's...black...dog training gone high end! 
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01-18-2007, 02:13 PM
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| | | hahaha! I love Cesar Milan, but his tips never worked on any of my dogs, I think I have o bring him to my house...
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01-18-2007, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bombon hahaha! I love Cesar Milan, but his tips never worked on any of my dogs, I think I have o bring him to my house... | How about reading a great book, Boms? I can totally recommend "The other end of the Leash" by Patricia McConnell. She also has a great new book out, "For the Love of a Dog", but that's not so hands-on. Also great: "How to Behave so your Dog Behaves" by Sophia Yin. 
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01-18-2007, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jenn How about reading a great book, Boms? I can totally recommend "The other end of the Leash" by Patricia McConnell. She also has a great new book out, "For the Love of a Dog", but that's not so hands-on. Also great: "How to Behave so your Dog Behaves" by Sophia Yin.  | Will any of those books tell me how to get my dog to stop pooping and peeing in the house the second I walk out the door?  | 
01-19-2007, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dana Will any of those books tell me how to get my dog to stop pooping and peeing in the house the second I walk out the door?  | They should help, yes. They help you understand how your dog ticks, so you know why she does stuff and how to find a solution to it.
Do you give your dog a Kong or similar when you leave the house? Is she thoroughly house trained (like practising a few weeks at least giving her treats for pooping/ peeing outside)?
A problem like you have is not only that- a problem in a certain situation. It's about not understanding how your dog ticks (this has nothing to do with dominance, by the way).  You're absolutely not alone in this- stuff like that finances my jeans addiction. 
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01-19-2007, 01:47 AM
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| | I honestly think there is something to this "energy" he refers to...dogs & other animals have a "sixth sense" . Humans try constantly to "humanize" their animals...treating them like "babies"...etc...hard because they are so cute  ...this is a bad thing...& leads to bad behaviors...but this is just M.O.
if I had a dog that had "issues" and I lived in california...you bet I'd be hot on that phone to Senor Milan! plus you might get to be on TV 
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01-19-2007, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kala68 I honestly think there is something to this "energy" he refers to...dogs & other animals have a "sixth sense" . Humans try constantly to "humanize" their animals...treating them like "babies"...etc...hard because they are so cute  ...this is a bad thing...& leads to bad behaviors...but this is just M.O. | Believe me, it's not that easy. 
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01-19-2007, 02:03 AM
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| | I know...that's why I got a cat instead *rescue cat*...& he IS my baby..
hard to say no to warm furry animals... 
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01-19-2007, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kala68 I know...that's why I got a cat instead *rescue cat*...& he IS my baby..
hard to say no to warm furry animals...  | My dog is my baby, too. It's just the same as in a dog pack- the parents rule.  But in terms of a benevolent leader, not a dictator. And that's the difference between Millan and new research/ methods- he doesn't realize/ believe this, although you only need to watch stray dogs for a day to see how that works. Or wolves in the Wild if you want to venture that far.  Sorry, I'm preaching again!  It has been my job to teach people about this the last ten years or so (not only on dogs, but on all kind of animals). 
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01-19-2007, 02:17 AM
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| | I'm such a sucker for a cute meowing kitty..ugh.....although I love dogs too...I worked for a very high end pet food company and went through endless trainings with Vets & Behaviorists...so that we could speak intelligently to our customers...it was a great experience & I learned alot...
so MANY uneducated people out there it's scary...I would see hundreds of unwanted animals every day...broke my heart...just wish that getting an animal was harder and stricter...makes me mad when I see people mistreating their animals...UGH
but I would guess that you feel the same too Jenn with your background 
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01-19-2007, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kala68 I'm such a sucker for a cute meowing kitty..ugh.....although I love dogs too...I worked for a very high end pet food company and went through endless trainings with Vets & Behaviorists...so that we could speak intelligently to our customers...it was a great experience & I learned alot...
so MANY uneducated people out there it's scary...I would see hundreds of unwanted animals every day...broke my heart...j ust wish that getting an animal was harder and stricter...makes me mad when I see people mistreating their animals...UGH
but I would guess that you feel the same too Jenn with your background  | I'm sooo with you. Not so much because of people really mistreating them, more about the 95% of people who have no idea that their animals need entertainment- most of them are well treated, but have absolutely nothing to do except eating and sleeping! People still think walking a dog is enough! Drives me nuts!
Or the gazillions of bunnies, guinea pigs, birds...kept alone, while they're not supposed to be! Thinking about that makes me sooo mad!
There should be restrictions, and it shouldn't be possible to buy animals in shops, so that people can just go out on a whim and buy one. 
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01-19-2007, 02:28 AM
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| | I would love to just have all those stupid "puppy mill" stores shut down...not kidding that everytime I walk by...makes me so sad & I literally get teary...
when I lived in Hawaii...I used to help trap/feed feral colonies of cats...lots of people were responsible for this explosion in the feral cat population out on the islands...lack of education from the locals to the military people just dumping their animals when they left & other plain careless assholes...I used to crawl on my knees behind the cliff at Castle Hospital in Kailua every other night to feed & try to trap these guys who were mostly all infected with Feline leukemia, etc... I would see many HUNDREDS of eyes peer back at me...It really wore on me...had about 6 or 7 different stops I'd make...
ok...now I digress...but people aren't educated enough on what animals really NEED...and not so much about what WE need...dont' you think? 
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01-19-2007, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jenn They should help, yes. They help you understand how your dog ticks, so you know why she does stuff and how to find a solution to it.
Do you give your dog a Kong or similar when you leave the house? Is she thoroughly house trained (like practising a few weeks at least giving her treats for pooping/ peeing outside)?
A problem like you have is not only that- a problem in a certain situation. It's about not understanding how your dog ticks (this has nothing to do with dominance, by the way).  You're absolutely not alone in this- stuff like that finances my jeans addiction.  | He has stuff to chew on when we leave but he also does it at night. He's been with us for 4 months with no housebreaking issues whatsoever. (He's an adult btw.) I think the problem is that it's gotten much colder outside in the last couple weeks and we are not giving him enough time outside to go. After about 10 minutes I just get fed up with waiting for him to poop and go back in. So I see why he poops in the house, it's my fault. I don't understand why he pees though because I know he empties his bladder out there. Hopefully we can fix it by just giving him more time outside. It's just so c-c-cold out there! | 
01-19-2007, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dana He has stuff to chew on when we leave but he also does it at night. He's been with us for 4 months with no housebreaking issues whatsoever. (He's an adult btw.) I think the problem is that it's gotten much colder outside in the last couple weeks and we are not giving him enough time outside to go. After about 10 minutes I just get fed up with waiting for him to poop and go back in. So I see why he poops in the house, it's my fault. I don't understand why he pees though because I know he empties his bladder out there. Hopefully we can fix it by just giving him more time outside. It's just so c-c-cold out there! | That could be...But although it's cold, he needs at least an hour of walkies everyday, anyway. I'd also start again to click and treat (use a marker word if not a clicker) for pooping/peeing outside.
If he has learned that if he poops outside, you go back in, but he likes spending time outside, he won't poop outside. During the day, go for walkies at least half an hour. Go on after he pooped/ peed.
During the night, go outside, wait ten minutes, go back in. If he looks like he's going to do something, run outside again with him. Click/treat if he does it outside. Go directly before going to sleep for the last time.
If that all fails and he still does it in the night, have him sleep in one of these transport kennels. He won't soil it.
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01-19-2007, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jenn If he has learned that if he poops outside, you go back in, but he likes spending time outside, he won't poop outside.
If that all fails and he still does it in the night, have him sleep in one of these transport kennels. He won't soil it. | I think that may be part of the problem as well. I have always tried to do the same walk each time regardless of when he goes but I think he is catching on that if he doesn't go he gets to stay outside. I have tried to play with him alot in the house in lieu of going outside since it's so cold (he is a small dog). But he just looooves to go out.
We did put him in his crate when we first got him and it worked great, he only had one accident that way. I just got to feeling sorry for him so now he gets the laundry room.
The strange part of it is that he only does it when we are gone. never once has he even tried to go while either of us was home. The other day I took him out at 9, I left at 11, my bf got home at 1130, and he had done BOTH!
Thanks for the tips though, I never really did do any sort of reward training for going outside because he just seemed to know from day 1. I may have to get on that if he keeps it up. | 
01-19-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dana I think that may be part of the problem as well. I have always tried to do the same walk each time regardless of when he goes but I think he is catching on that if he doesn't go he gets to stay outside. I have tried to play with him alot in the house in lieu of going outside since it's so cold (he is a small dog). But he just looooves to go out.
We did put him in his crate when we first got him and it worked great, he only had one accident that way. I just got to feeling sorry for him so now he gets the laundry room.
The strange part of it is that he only does it when we are gone. never once has he even tried to go while either of us was home. The other day I took him out at 9, I left at 11, my bf got home at 1130, and he had done BOTH!
Thanks for the tips though, I never really did do any sort of reward training for going outside because he just seemed to know from day 1. I may have to get on that if he keeps it up. | Take him out just before you go, and give him a filled Kong (with something he adores), then he doesn't have the time.  He most probably does it because he feels stressed out when you leave. Make it easier for him- go right before you leave, and leave him a wonderful filled Kong (chewing, and especially licking- which he needs to do to empty the Kong- are stress relievers).
Put him in the crate at night, in your bedroom. It will not be bad for him, it will be his cozy crate- make it nice for him. Laundry room sounds more like a time-out than a nice place to be to spend the night with his humans.
If he's a big or a small dog doesn't matter as far as walkies are concerned. Most small dogs are much tougher than we think and were originally bred to help hunting. They may look soft- but they are usually great sports dogs! 
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01-26-2007, 11:38 AM
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01-26-2007, 01:04 PM
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| | I also liked Suzanne Clothier's book "Bones would Rain from the Sky." Also, Dr. Ian Dunbar's books are highly regarded in my area. He is the founder of modern puppy kindergarden type classes.  | 
01-26-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldenSurf I also liked Suzanne Clothier's book "Bones would Rain from the Sky." Also, Dr. Ian Dunbar's books are highly regarded in my area. He is the founder of modern puppy kindergarden type classes.  | Those are both great, and well known here in Europe, too.
Also really really awesome (and not sappy, but scientifically based): "For the Love of a Dog" by Patricia McConnell.  (Of course "The other End of the Leash" by the same author is a mile stone known all over the world,too)
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